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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:58 pm

thecanadianrail wrote:i think it was ATSF that started a maroon CP GP9?


Yeah, I found his thread about it.

thecanadianrail wrote:Serves All Canada Logo: http://lariverrailroads.com/freight_car/cn540798.jpg (multiple variations of this logo, some all white, some green, some black, and each has a variation of the center tilted at about a 20% angle.


Yep, that pic was the inspiration for the paint up there. You might notice it's ( well, both of them are ) actually maroon under all that dirt!

thecanadianrail wrote:Canada`s largest railway: http://www.zscalemonster.com/mt/40boxcar/500-00-671.jpg

and some of the oldest ones don`t have that logo at all, and they are that odd orange colour!


Well, not seen an orange one. I could probably do a slightly less dirty ( it can hardly get much more dirty ) version with a switchable logo like the noodle version has switchable doors - not sure I can do it with that amount of weathering and have the logo sit on the body right.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:19 pm

I am actually doing this; and this was literally the first time I put it in game, all guesswork up to then. So yes it's missing bits of whiskers and the colours are a little off... and I can't work out if the roof is meant to be green or black.

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Napanee yard is getting a bit crowded, heh.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby PapaXpress » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:11 pm

Thats a great start though. !!*ok*!!
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby roinuj » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:20 pm

Looking very nice Kali! !!*ok*!!
I take your clean locomotives and make them dirty!

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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby steve_the_slim » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:49 am

Hmmm...do I spy some GP38-2s you haven't told us about yet? What else have you been hiding from us?
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:38 am

I'm not sure if I have the patience to work out where all the pipework is on the GP38 textures - they're not baked, most of them appear to be in a flat textured area in the same place the handrails are. Other than that the CP one is pretty complete, the CN one is a bit fictional though - CN/GT ones didn't have dynamic brakes - so I stopped it in favour of the one that *wasn't* fiction.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby thecanadianrail » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:46 am

the roof on the green CN geeps are green like the rest of the loco. !*salute*!
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:47 am

thecanadianrail wrote:the roof on the green CN geeps are green like the rest of the loco. !*salute*!


Rgr; was just dirt then :p
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:37 pm

Finding it hard to tell what colour the green really is; I have a paint swatch, but after all the shading layers and so on it needs a lot of adjusting.

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Look ok colour-wise?

And that's the state of play with the gp38s.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby philmoberg » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:39 pm

Your colours are actually quite close. The green was very similar to the lighter version of Pullman green, and the yellow was essentially identical to Dulux Gold. I have some RGB values that were decen matches for both, based on the colur restrictions in MSTS, if you want them. They're slightly off, but a good place to start, if you want to revise what you have. IMO it wouldn't make much difference under a light coat of weathering, which the CV units always wore. My very first cabride was in CV 4926, a classic "torpedo boat" boiler Geep, which was still wearing this paint at the time. I don't know whether this was the best paint job a Geep ever wore, but it had to be one of the most dignified.

IIRC, the yellow wet all the way across the top of the hood, and was very slightly curved toward the center of the locomotive just as the side began to curve. The lettering an numbers were in a fairly commmon Roman font of the time. The class designation was below the road number, on the side of the cab, just above the battery box. There are several excellent photos on fallenflags.com under Central Vermont and Grand Trunk Western. Look for dates prior to 1963.

To answer your original question, I'd certainly like them. Thanks kindly.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:22 pm

Ok, I'm guessing this is about right ( might need to be slightly curvier ) - the only pic I can find of the roof is a model, and I don't trust it particularily. Matching curves across texture boundaries is as fun as it always is... I'm growing to hate the whiskers.

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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby philmoberg » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:48 pm

That's just about got it. Compare it to this shot of CV 4553 (http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cv/cv4553dsa.jpg), which should put you at peace about the whiskers. You've already mastered the toughest bit.
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby thecanadianrail » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:11 pm

actualy you had it almost right the first time, but the yellow went further back...see photo:

http://www.wgrr.ca/Catalogue/Engines/USA/GP9%20CN.jpg

its extremely hard to find an actual picture of an areal shot of this geep, but i know from experience that this photo is spot on!
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby Kali » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:34 pm

Hm, that doesn't seem to match photos :p did make me look for GP7s though. The preserved one has me a bit confused; there's gold behind the letters and used for the numbers, and some sort of beige colour for the frames/whiskers/nose tops. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 462&nseq=3 seems to be all the same colour though - while it's a really old pic and you can't necessarily pick the shades out of it, those areas are all the same yellow/gold. Definitely not beige/green-yellow!
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Re: Does anyone want this stuff...

Unread postby thecanadianrail » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:46 pm

well in that case you had it right before we said anything...well except the roof is green like the rest of the loco.
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