Do Route Editor changes affect existing scenarios?

[artimrj]

Here is something to try no guarantee it will work. Open the scenario file with RW Tools, (the .bin file) and up near the top it should have the number of the route, which is the same and the route's folder name. Change the number/name to the number/name of your cloned route, as it should have a different folder number. If it is looking at the route name or numbers in this case this would fix it, in theory.

[drivertime61]

Here is something to try no guarantee it will work. Open the scenario file with RW Tools, (the .bin file) and up near the top it should have the number of the route, which is the same and the route's folder name. Change the number/name to the number/name of your cloned route, as it should have a different folder number. If it is looking at the route name or numbers in this case this would fix it, in theory.

Looks like I'm finally going to have to install RW Tools. Should have done it long ago, when I began to get serious about editing. I know Mike's product is great. I was thinking along the same lines as your suggestion - that something in the scenario file ties it to the route it was created in.

BTW, custom-created, separately named scenarios do survive a Verify Cache. as Ericmopar also confirms. I tried it. And, just as you said, objects added to the original un-cloned route in the Route Editor do NOT! I tried that too. I thought I might get lucky and it would work for me, even though it doesn't for anyone else in the known universe.

Thanks again Bob. When I get RW Tools set up, I'll give it a shot.

[OldProf]

I can't recall whether anyone else has mentioned this, but some modified clones of DLC routes are available in Steam Workshop. This would be a way of making both your route modifications and your scenarios for them available.

[drivertime61]

Thank you Tom. Didn't think about the Workshop. Will have a look. However, I did re-think the cloned route and have started creating a new free roam freight scenario for it anyway. Being able to add those crane loaders, and thinking of some other route mods., has given me some additional flexibility to perhaps improve on the scenarios I did in the original NEC.

Also, if anyone else is still reading this thread, I've discovered something interesting. As previously stated ad nauseum above, the scenario I attempted to copy over from NEC original to NEC Clone does not show up in the Clone's Drive Menu Free Roam Scenarios listings. However, if I open the NEC Clone in the Route Editor, lo and behold I see all of the engines and cars I had placed all over the scenario, plus the time of day and the weather (winter-snow) is the same as my copied scenario and the starting point is the same. I can even drive all the added DLC when I exit the Route Editor using the big orange arrow, as long as I don't go back to the Drive Menu. If I attempt to create a new scenario in the Clone, my added DLC from that copied-over scenario no longer appears. It's gone, the weather and time are default and I am starting with a blank slate route at the default start point.

So it looks as though the cloned route IS seeing that copied over scenario, but not the way it should.

As much as I try, I can't wrap my aching brain around that. Anyone else want to join me in a bottle of Exedrin?

I suspect Bob's solution re getting into the scenario file and insuring it's showing the cloned route's name and number may solve the problem. When I take the time to get RW Tools and learn to use it I'll try that.

Al

[Chacal]

As previously stated ad nauseum above

Ad nauseam.
Nausea is feminine, so it's a first declension substantive:

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Nausea
Nausea
Nauseam
Nauseae
Nauseae
Nausea

Yeah, slow day at the office.
I'm bored.

Also there are exactly 243 rivets.

[drivertime61]

Now wait just a stuck-down crossing gate minute there Sir! Unlike so many alleged college graduates and nearly everyone else in the world these days, I take great pride in proper use of the English language as adapted and applied by us colonists. (You know, the folks DTG needs to pay more attention to --- er, the folks to whom DTG needs to pay more attention).

But I don’t understand one word of this: Nausea is feminine, so it's a first declension substantive. Please 'splain me Chacal.

I do recall, however, that a significant percentage of the nausea I experienced in my yoot was precipitated by females. So I think I get your drift. Oh hell, ad nauseum ain’t even English anyway. I rest my case, Your Honor.

Now I need more Exedrin. Who am I kidding? All I have is ibuprofin. I’m too cheap to buy the name brand stuff.

Al

[Chacal]

Get Gravol, it's better for nausea!

As for the meaning, nausea is a Latin word and ad nauseam is a Latin expression meanin "until nausea".

Substantives (nouns) in Latin (and German) can be masculine, feminine or neutral, there's no logic to that, it's just the way it is. In French we did away with neutral, and in English all nouns are neutral.

In addition, in Latin and German they use grammatical cases, i.e. the ending of nouns varies according to whether it is a subject, an object, etc. So if nausea is the subject of a sentence, you spell it "nausea" but if it is the object you spell it "nauseam", as in "ad nauseam". English did away with grammatical cases altogether.

The grammatical cases for most Latin words ending in "a", like rosa, aqua, militia and nausea, usually feminine nouns, are all the same. We say they are declined the same way, and this group is called the first declension. So I can predict that "I smell a rose" will be "olefacio rosam" in Latin.

All this may explain why route editor changes affect existing scenarios, or may not.

Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur.

[drivertime61]

You certainly did 'splain me, Chacal. And you tweaked a few long dead neurons here, taking me back to my high school Spanish and (briefly) Latin days, and college German days. Thank you!

Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur. Yes that's true. It works on me every time, especially if delivered with Shakespearean gravitas.

All this may explain why route editor changes affect existing scenarios, or may not.
Yes, just to re-iterate for those who have read through this thread and wonder what the heck we're talking about now: no, changes made in the Route Editor do not affect pre-existing route scenarios and the changes will be seen in the scenarios. DTG route updates or performing a Verify Cache will wipe out any changes made in the Route Editor to the original route. And the universal solution: Clone! Clone! Clone!

There. Back on track! I feel better.

[buzz456]

[OldProf]

English did away with grammatical cases altogether.

Well, not altogether, since most pronouns still retain the nominative, objective, and possessive. I'm giving the English terms since that is the language being discussed. For example: he, him, his; she, her, hers; they, them, theirs; you, you, yours. Note that "you" is the same in nominative and objective, which may or may not be objectionable, but is certainly confusing. Unfortunately, the infamous, gender-based language wars (a.k.a. Political Correctness) have virtually eliminated masculine and feminine pronouns from journalistic, political, and scholarly writing and speaking, leaving individual persons in a puzzlingly plural condition. Perhaps this makes sense here in the US?

Oops--that's enough--I think I sense the approach of a hall monitor!