Who thinks this is so bad DTG should stop selling it ?

[trev123]

I for one don't, sure it has minor/major bugs which ever way you look at it, which I'm pretty certain DTG well sort out. I actually enjoy driving it far more so than TS2017 which was starting to bore me having played it's incarnations since 2010. I was looking for something different and I think this is it. Got Train New Era but didn't like it, this is so much better.

[JerryC]

Your title is a little overly dramatic, dont ya think?

[NorthernWarrior]

I am beginning to think it needs some major reworking and while a commercial consideration for DTG and Steam they have to balance the revenue from ongoing sales against continuing adverse publicity and reviews.

At the least we need an admission from Sir Paul Jackson that the game, as released, has some fairly major issues. What we don't want is the somewhat lame excuse we got at times reporting faults in TS20xx, that fixing them would break scenarios etc.

The people reporting these across all three of the main forums (here, Trainsim dot com, UKTS) are veteran train simmers not new people just starting out in the genre.

Latest from Seagoon (the very respected Bruce Kennewell) at TS is that the dynamic brake on the AC4400's doesn't work and on the locos where it does work the gauges are not registering correctly nor are the correct sounds for dynamic braking played. This is another fundamental set of flaws in what is supposed to be a simulation of North American heavy freight railroading.

In line with Bob's CoC this is not DTG knocking but I think we need a realistic assessment of what's happened here - software with great potential but as it stands greatly flawed and wasn't really ready for market.

[artimrj]

I was running the ACs last night and the dynamic brakes worked for me? I had all the brakes going trying to stop it. Whether it was registering correctly I don't know as I was too busy trying not to run into an on coming train and I was going through the crossover. A near miss!

[Tomcat]

Dynamics on the AC worked for me as well. My non-professional impression was that I had more control over the speed using the dynamics than I remember from TS20XX. I haven't run the other 2 locos as much so I can't comment on them yet.

[JerryC]

I think DTG's intentions were in the right place, and the vast majority of the people are happy with this new game. However, to us old pros, it is obvious that this was rushed out the door before it was finished. This is all to common in the software industry, and people have become to accustomed to putting up with it.

[BNSFdude]

The title sure is some melodramatic click baity crap...

Look, I am publicly one of the most critical people of DTG, having even broke my NDA in the past in an effort to try to encourage them to the right path.

But I don't wish ill will upon them. Like Derek has said in the past, train simulation is a passion. It's his/their passion, and it's mine. I want to see them make this game right, with the right performance, but you've gotta understand that it's gonna take time. Had i been in their position I probably would've had to release it too. The game had already been pushed back a number of times, and I'm sure the monetary investment in development is quite high and they need to make some sort of return in order to keep developing..

I just hope they batten down the hatches and fix the glaring problems the game has at a base level. I am not convinced they truly understand the inner workings of US Diesel Electrics, especially not the GE AC4400CW. To me, the modern-Era set CSX heavy haul was probably the worst choice to cut their teeth on in full blown simulation as the modern locomotives are so dern complicated, it would make any programmers head spin looking at all the information you need to make an accurate recreation..

Anyways, my two cents. Give it some time. Though I don't think it'll be necessary to wait another 10 years before we get things like what Jerry and myself/Kevin have produced. Perhaps we will see the day where I don't need to make audio mods. Haha.

[OldProf]

Yes, the title at first seems overboard, to say the least; but when the OP makes clear that the title is ironic: he's refuting such claims made by others and I'm with him. Even at full price, TSW costs no more than an average TS route's full price and I'm very impressed by all of the attention that DTG is giving to user comments. The only thing I'm not happy about is the fact that my processor is not quite up to even the minimal requirements; that said, TSW does run on it and does look very good, so I'm doing my best to tweak the adjustments and see if I can avoid emptying my piggy bank yet again to keep up with DTG's train simulators.

[The other truth is that, after only 21 hours, I'm already addicted to TSW and just hoping that I won't be tempted into abandoning TS, which I've played for 8,929 hours -- where on earth did I find all of that time? ]

[cvo2010]

I am beginning to think it needs some major reworking and while a commercial consideration for DTG and Steam they have to balance the revenue from ongoing sales against continuing adverse publicity and reviews.

At the least we need an admission from Sir Paul Jackson that the game, as released, has some fairly major issues. What we don't want is the somewhat lame excuse we got at times reporting faults in TS20xx, that fixing them would break scenarios etc.

The people reporting these across all three of the main forums (here, Trainsim dot com, UKTS) are veteran train simmers not new people just starting out in the genre.

Latest from Seagoon (the very respected Bruce Kennewell) at TS is that the dynamic brake on the AC4400's doesn't work and on the locos where it does work the gauges are not registering correctly nor are the correct sounds for dynamic braking played. This is another fundamental set of flaws in what is supposed to be a simulation of North American heavy freight railroading.

In line with Bob's CoC this is not DTG knocking but I think we need a realistic assessment of what's happened here - software with great potential but as it stands greatly flawed and wasn't really ready for market.

Do you consider the TSW software to be more flawed and bugged than Trainz: A new Era was, when it was initially released ?.

[Griphos]

[The other truth is that, after only 21 hours, I'm already addicted to TSW and just hoping that I won't be tempted into abandoning TS, which I've played for 8,929 hours -- where on earth did I find all of that time? ]

Tom, you are a sick, sick man! That's just crazy!!!

On the other hand, I now feel quite sanguine about all my time spent in flight simulators and, more recently, that damned addictive World of Tanks!

:-)

[Ericmopar]

I was running the ACs last night and the dynamic brakes worked for me? I had all the brakes going trying to stop it. Whether it was registering correctly I don't know as I was too busy trying not to run into an on coming train and I was going through the crossover. A near miss!

[Ericmopar]

[The other truth is that, after only 21 hours, I'm already addicted to TSW and just hoping that I won't be tempted into abandoning TS, which I've played for 8,929 hours -- where on earth did I find all of that time? ]

Tom, you are a sick, sick man! That's just crazy!!!

On the other hand, I now feel quite sanguine about all my time spent in flight simulators and, more recently, that damned addictive World of Tanks!

:-)

If you get into route mods or building, you can add thousands of hours no problem.

[trev123]

The reason I gave the topic that name was because someone over at Trainsim.com reckons it should be withdrawn from sale because it has so many issues, which I totally disagree with. I was just testing the waters here.

[Bananimal]

I've completed all of the scenarios and tutorials thus far. I run everything on Ultra, maxed graphics. Was having really bad FPS with it though, so last night I created an nVidia Inspector profile for the game. I then went into the game itself and lowered "Screen Percentage" in the graphics settings to 80%. That did the trick for me with very little cost in image quality. I'm running just above 30 FPS in the yards and 48 FPS or so out in the countryside. Will be setting up AFR2 SLI in nVidia Inspector in a few minutes to see if that helps as well. Read where someone did that last night in the steam forums and their GPUs are both getting used now, which resulted in a significant increase in FPS. We shall see.

So, even though there are some bugs, overall I think the release is light years beyond where TS 2017 wound up. It's fun to play and the first person aspect is great. It remains to be seen how they are going to implement steam. Should be interesting if not phenomenal from a graphical perspective. Can they get the physics right is the question?

That being said.....No, I don't think they should pull it, but they had better fix it. If they don't, they've got no platform to build upon to move DTG forward. It's do or die time for them. At the end of the day, I think they'll pull it off. That remains to be seen though. If they treat it like they have all the issues in TS 2017 that were never addressed, their ship is sunk. I've never seen so many angry people. The sheer amount of refunds has got to have them freaking out I would think.

[Ericmopar]

The reason I gave the topic that name was because someone over at Trainsim.com reckons it should be withdrawn from sale because it has so many issues, which I totally disagree with. I was just testing the waters here.

Just make sure to keep burn ointment around, when doing that.