Smokebox: Central Pacific Railroad #60 "Jupiter" 4-4-0

[mrennie]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

[ZekTheKid]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

That will take me forever to learn, because I simply am not that good at driving steam locos. Oh wait, didn't you say there was going to be a simple mode?

[evafan002]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

any chance that when you are done with the initial pack you could do a more modern version with air brakes and so on and release it on the workshop?

[mrennie]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

any chance that when you are done with the initial pack you could do a more modern version with air brakes and so on and release it on the workshop?

I might do a modern version, but as it would involve a considerable amount of work (it's not just the compressor - I'd also have to add the engine brakes, the lifting injectors, convert her to oil, and so on), so it would definitely be payware in any event.

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

mike, i personally am pretty sure jupiter originally had a compressor at the time of the golden spike.

[Logan20131]

Nope, It originally didn't have a Compressor, not until 1882.

[McCRRR19]

I might do a modern version, but as it would involve a considerable amount of work (it's not just the compressor - I'd also have to add the engine brakes, the lifting injectors, convert her to oil, and so on), so it would definitely be payware in any event.

While the replica Jupiter and 119 were originally gas fired (I believe it was gas, it was something odd) when they were first built, they were later converted to wood and coal, respectively. So a modern version would still be wood fired.

[evafan002]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

any chance that when you are done with the initial pack you could do a more modern version with air brakes and so on and release it on the workshop?

I might do a modern version, but as it would involve a considerable amount of work (it's not just the compressor - I'd also have to add the engine brakes, the lifting injectors, convert her to oil, and so on), so it would definitely be payware in any event.

oops I meant to say release it in the market place not the workshop.. I have no idea why i said workshop...

[mrennie]

Nope, It originally didn't have a Compressor, not until 1882.

That's my understanding too.

It's easy to see why, from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westinghouse_Air_Brake_Company

The Westinghouse Air Brake Company (WABCO) was founded on September 28, 1869 by George Westinghouse in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.[1] Earlier in the year he had invented the railway air brake in New York state.

So there's no way "Jupiter" could have had air brakes in May 1869.

[mrennie]

will you release some rolling stock with jupiter? or will that be a completely different pack? by the way, have you made the westinghouse air compressor for jupiter yet? if so, pics?

Yes, there'll be an initial set of rolling stock.

There won't be an air compressor - I'm doing Jupiter as she would have been when built, which will make it more of a challenge to operate.

That will take me forever to learn, because I simply am not that good at driving steam locos. Oh wait, didn't you say there was going to be a simple mode?

Yep, all my locos, despite what they say now about the "Pro series" not supporting HUD, controllers and simple mode, actually do (because I take the time and trouble to make them work).

[mrennie]

I might do a modern version, but as it would involve a considerable amount of work (it's not just the compressor - I'd also have to add the engine brakes, the lifting injectors, convert her to oil, and so on), so it would definitely be payware in any event.

While the replica Jupiter and 119 were originally gas fired (I believe it was gas, it was something odd) when they were first built, they were later converted to wood and coal, respectively. So a modern version would still be wood fired.

Excellent! That clears up a doubt I had. The drawings show the gas burner at the bottom of the firebox and a gas tank in the middle of the tender (where it would be covered with "fake" wood), but the cab photos I've seen of Jupiter don't show a firing handle or atomizer, and recently i found a photo of the tender with only a few bits of wood left and I couldn't see any gas tank. What also confused me is that Leviathan does have a firing handle, so I assume David Kloke built his replica with the burner, as per the O'Connor Engineering design.

Many thanks for the info

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

what is the comprssor needed for on the replica? it doesnt have air brakes

[McCRRR19]

Excellent! That clears up a doubt I had. The drawings show the gas burner at the bottom of the firebox and a gas tank in the middle of the tender (where it would be covered with "fake" wood), but the cab photos I've seen of Jupiter don't show a firing handle or atomizer, and recently i found a photo of the tender with only a few bits of wood left and I couldn't see any gas tank. What also confused me is that Leviathan does have a firing handle, so I assume David Kloke built his replica with the burner, as per the O'Connor Engineering design.

Many thanks for the info

You're welcome! :)

The Leviathan is oil fired compared to natural gas, like the original configurations of the Jupiter and 119 replicas. The recent replica 4-4-0 "York" is also oil fired. I believe conversions for Jupiter and 119 was in the early 1990's.

[McCRRR19]

what is the comprssor needed for on the replica? it doesnt have air brakes

There's air brake equipment in the cabs of the Jupiter and 119 replicas, so I think it's safe to say they have air brakes. Also, there appears to be an anglecock (minus hose) on the rear of the tenders of both Jupiter and 119.

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

i'll beleive it when i see a set of brake shoes and brake cylinders. by the way, then where are the air tank(s)? if she has air brakes?
see, leviathan has air brakes. notice the brakes between the drivers

now, see jupiter does not. look between jupiters drivers