South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby philmoberg » Mon May 26, 2014 12:50 pm

Ericmopar wrote:From a technology standpoint, that gauge changing system is pretty cool. From a maintenance and (what can go wrong, will go wrong) standpoint, it's an accident waiting to happen, and a horrible increase in the number of moving parts that have to be maintained.
Very carefully maintained.

That was pretty much the way I saw it several years ago, when I first read about the concept in RGI. What's interesting aobut the way they implemented it is that the whole wheelset was designed to be dropped easity, with all the actual maintenance done on the workbench. Evidently, they've gotten excellent performance out of the system, running sets as far away as Zurich over some fairly high speed track. To be sure, the relatively light axle loading of a Talgo set probably helps with the overall longevity of the components. but even in a "worst case" scenario, such was we saw in the high speed wreck last year (admittedly a human failure as opposed to a technological failure), the equipment itself proved surprisingly crashworthy.

What intrigues me about a similar approach to the question of interchange between the Cape Gauge system and the meter gauge system in Mozambique is tat the horizontal travel of each wheel woul only be on the order of 1.32" (probably less than half of the width of the wheel hub), as opposed to the 4.75" for each whell in the conversion between Iberian broad gauge and standard gauge. It would seem to me to be possible to re-engineer the system into a less complex confguration, given the realtively short travel of the componenets and the operation at lower overall speeds, even if the axle loadings are substantially higher. The short travel would also make it easier to seal the whole mechanism from dirt, mositure and other potentially harmful contaminants. Given that a conventional dual gauge solution is probably impossible (the difference in gauge is probably less than the sum of the rail head and flangway width, for starters), and that a regauging program on the lines of what GWR did when they abandoned broad gauge is probably not a feasible solution under current conditions, it would be interesting to see whether they could work out an interim solution, and regauge the lines in Mozambique in an incremental basis.

I think this new route opens up a lot of possibilities we haven't yet seen in this hobby. Now I'm wondering whether somebody will tackle the proposed Garratt-Mallet (2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2) once proposed for the Cape Gauge system: http://www.beyergarrattlocos.co.uk/bgpix/sgng.jpg
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby The_Garbear » Mon May 26, 2014 8:40 pm

According to the article, he has a Garratt near completion
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby cor726 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:09 am

I see this route is in the store. 3 DLC's released today.

I thought we would get the NS coal route first. This one looks cool and I am interested but I think I will wait for a sale on this one.
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby OldProf » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:46 am

One of the scenarios (unfortunately, all career-kashmear) brings you into the largest yard on the route just as the sun pops over the horizon and the colors are gorgeous even though I'm running on TS2013 level graphics.

As I drew into that yard, I was using camera 2 and looking at the engine's sunny side. FPS dropped abruptly, but simply swinging the camera over to the shady side brought them back up again immediately.

The usual under-the-bridgies are panning this route (what's new?), but I'm really enjoying it and I'm proud to say that I'm probably racking down the lowest possible scores while doing so. One of the complaints involves the lack of wildlife, but until it becomes possible to depict animals on the move they would look pretty ridiculous, in my opinion. British or American cows standing perfectly still is absurd enough, but zebras, wildebeests and giraffes?
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby mjlevy1118 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:44 pm

Apologies for dredging such an old topic, but does anyone know what became of the steam locomotives that were intended to be made available along with the route? I've spent the last couple days searching around the web trying to find anything about the Class 24 or the garratt that were in development by Hermann Kuhne and Johan Pretorius. The pictures on Train-Simulator.com don't load anymore, but you can see what I'm referring to towards the bottom of this article: http://train-simulator.com/welcome-to-south-africa-pietermaritzburg-ladysmith-route-preview/.

‘Yes, to locos and Yes to steam. I have started on two steam locomotives, a Class 24 and a GMAM Garratt. Both are in a near finished state, lots of minor tweaks still have to be done, and obviously the baking.’


That was in May 2014. Anyone know if these were ever released as freeware or payware, and if so, where to find them?
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:30 pm

mjlevy1118 wrote:That was in May 2014. Anyone know if these were ever released as freeware or payware, and if so, where to find them?


The route got mainly negative reviews back then. Perhaps sales were bad also and the creators retreated? AFAIK, the locos and wagons were MSTS conversions.
A pity, since SAR network and trains were very interesting. Class 25 4-8-4's were the biggest of their kind in cape gauge and the Beyer Garratt's 4-8-2+2-8-4's were no less unique.
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby rarecommonsense » Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:15 pm

_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha wrote:
mjlevy1118 wrote:That was in May 2014. Anyone know if these were ever released as freeware or payware, and if so, where to find them?


The route got mainly negative reviews back then. Perhaps sales were bad also and the creators retreated? AFAIK, the locos and wagons were MSTS conversions.
A pity, since SAR network and trains were very interesting. Class 25 4-8-4's were the biggest of their kind in cape gauge and the Beyer Garratt's 4-8-2+2-8-4's were no less unique.


I knew I wasn't bugging, I thought the same thing about those trains.. they looked horrible, and just didn't fit in with the TS catalog very much the worst DLC I've spent money on to be honest. Just saw a scenario made for it on the workshop, recently.. couldn't believe it. haha.
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby ElphabaWS » Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:01 pm

rarecommonsense wrote:Just saw a scenario made for it on the workshop, recently.. couldn't believe it. haha.

The handful of scenarios for this route I posted to Workshop have been downloaded about 6,000 times, so not sure everyone shares you viewpoint about the route.
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Re: South Africa: Pietermaritzburg – Ladysmith Route

Unread postby rarecommonsense » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:02 pm

ElphabaWS wrote:
rarecommonsense wrote:Just saw a scenario made for it on the workshop, recently.. couldn't believe it. haha.

The handful of scenarios for this route I posted to Workshop have been downloaded about 6,000 times, so not sure everyone shares you viewpoint about the route.


Of course not everyone shares my viewpoint, though I know I'm not alone with it. But, the route itself isn't the problem.. The supplied motive power on the other hand, can't say I was impressed with it.
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