Smokebox: Central Pacific Railroad #60 "Jupiter" 4-4-0

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

i dought this will help, but heres a photo of the sand dome and bell on jupiter

Thanks Nathan, that's actually quite useful for the handrails too

Anytime!

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

here's som photo's of leviathan's cab (as you know, leviathan is identical to jupiter, just a different pant scheme ).

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

i also came across this photo of jupiter's cab.

[mrennie]

i also came across this photo of jupiter's cab.

Thanks Nathan, all these photos are very useful.

Something else that puzzles me is that in Leviathan's cab you can clearly see the firing handle, but not in Jupiter's cab.

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

i also came across this photo of jupiter's cab.

Thanks Nathan, all these photos are very useful.

Something else that puzzles me is that in Leviathan's cab you can clearly see the firing handle, but not in Jupiter's cab.

could it possibly be somewhere hidden, like under the engineer's or fireman's seat. another thought is maybe there isn't one, and there there is a fixed amount of oil going to the burner. this might be a likely possibility because of the fact the locomotives have level track, no cars, and a very, very short run. maybe you could ask the golden spike people.

[mrennie]

i also came across this photo of jupiter's cab.

Thanks Nathan, all these photos are very useful.

Something else that puzzles me is that in Leviathan's cab you can clearly see the firing handle, but not in Jupiter's cab.

could it possibly be somewhere hidden, like under the engineer's or fireman's seat. another thought is maybe there isn't one, and there there is a fixed amount of oil going to the burner. this might be a likely possibility because of the fact the locomotives have level track, no cars, and a very, very short run. maybe you could ask the golden spike people.

I asked them a few days ago but they still haven't replied.

[mrennie]

I'm now leaning towards doing two versions.

One would represent the modern-day replica, the other would be as close as I can make it to the original (I'd call it the "vintage" version).

The vintage would have:

• No air pump and therefore no air brakes. Instead it would have only a handbrake operated by a horizontal wheel at the cab end of the tender. That would make braking in the vintage version quite challenging.
• Gravity-fed sanders.
• Wood-fired.
• Oil cups on the steam chests, for lubrication. The replica actually has a hydrostatic lubricator in the cab and dummy oil cups on the steam chests.

I also have to investigate whether the vintage would have the exhaust-driven Nathan lifting injector, or just the feedwater pump (on the engineer's side).

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

I'm now leaning towards doing two versions.

One would represent the modern-day replica, the other would be as close as I can make it to the original (I'd call it the "vintage" version).

The vintage would have:

• No air pump and therefore no air brakes. Instead it would have only a handbrake operated by a horizontal wheel at the cab end of the tender. That would make braking in the vintage version quite challenging.
• Gravity-fed sanders.
• Wood-fired.
• Oil cups on the steam chests, for lubrication. The replica actually has a hydrostatic lubricator in the cab and dummy oil cups on the steam chests.

I also have to investigate whether the vintage would have the exhaust-driven Nathan lifting injector, or just the feedwater pump (on the engineer's side).

pesonally id do these versions

vintage link and pin
vintage buckeye
modern link and pin
modern buckeye
and this is what i would feel would sell most. another version called modern(appears as it does today),but wood fired and buckeye couplers

ps. i think jupiter may have always had a compressor.?

[mrennie]

I'm now leaning towards doing two versions.

One would represent the modern-day replica, the other would be as close as I can make it to the original (I'd call it the "vintage" version).

The vintage would have:

• No air pump and therefore no air brakes. Instead it would have only a handbrake operated by a horizontal wheel at the cab end of the tender. That would make braking in the vintage version quite challenging.
• Gravity-fed sanders.
• Wood-fired.
• Oil cups on the steam chests, for lubrication. The replica actually has a hydrostatic lubricator in the cab and dummy oil cups on the steam chests.

I also have to investigate whether the vintage would have the exhaust-driven Nathan lifting injector, or just the feedwater pump (on the engineer's side).

pesonally id do these versions

vintage link and pin
vintage buckeye
modern link and pin
modern buckeye
and this is what i would feel would sell most. another version called modern(appears as it does today),but wood fired and buckeye couplers

ps. i think jupiter may have always had a compressor.?

I think to avoid too many variations, I'd just have link and pin with the vintage and buckeye for the modern.

I'll have to investigate about the compressor. With no air brakes, the only need for it would be the sander, but I need to check the date of the patent for air-operated sanders (I did read the patent when I was doing the Connie).

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

true, it might be better for fewer variatios, for example:

vintage l&p
modern buckey
modern woodburner W/buckeye

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

they sure were ahead of their time when they built this locomotive.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4302515

[B-24_LIBERATOR]

Maybe you would like to make the assets for the route so Mike can do all these different engines?

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

Maybe you would like to make the assets for the route so Mike can do all these different engines?

i'm just giving suggestions, it's all up to him. i alrady stated no matter what he does it would be great. therefore i feel ro reason you should make remarks about me trying to HELP.

[TheEmmaSweeny1]

mike, i was just wondering, will this engine have a speedometer

[mrennie]

mike, i was just wondering, will this engine have a speedometer

Good question - the vintage definitely won't, and the modern probably won't either (I haven't seen any speedo dynamo on any if the axles).