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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby Ericmopar » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:42 am

Peter is right.
The system builder / OEM version of Windows is Microsoft's way of supporting the home builder enthusiast.
It's seems I heard Bill Gates say it was because they all started in a garage. Also the home builders call tech support way less than the average person that buys a over the counter PC.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby jalsina » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:39 pm

Last weekend I upgraded my computer as I have done during the last 14-15 years. I have changed mobo, CPU and memory.
For OS I have been running Windows 10 since August, upgraded from a W8.1, which I acquired directly from Microsoft store. At that time, a couple years ago, W8 cost me $40. It was not an OEM. The EULA mentions I could move the OS to another computer.
However for last week upgrade I wanted avoiding having problems with Windows 10 activation,so I decided to uninstall all drivers, turn off the computer, change parts (which involved a hard work cleaning the internal box) and start up. However Windows 10 started deactivated and refused to activate with the same product key. As others had that sort of problem and solved it by calling Microsoft, I did it so but MS refused as well to activate my W10. **!!bang!!**

What I had in front of me was the need to do a clean install, installing first W8. Fortunately I keep an spare hard disk which I used for the new installation. I did it so, then I installed W10 over W8 and finally I got activated. It is curious that the product key I got for the new activation was exactly the same I had in my previous computer.
I booted the old computer hard disk and it was again activated (with the same key), so go figure.
I decided to continue installing programs in the new install getting rid of many little unused programs I had before.
This kind of job takes time and care to get it done right. !DUH!

If you are starting from zero instead of upgrading as my case, I would suggest you acquire anything that is not OEM. What I described above is what you will be doing next time you upgrade if you keep box, power source, drives and maybe graphics card as was my case.
And BTW, whatever you have heard, Windows 10 is faster and more reliable than W7 or W8.1.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby bpetit » Sat Dec 05, 2015 12:54 am

Eric, I might I don't know yet.

Jalsina,
I do not like Windows Updates getting forced on to the computer. I also have some older games that are DRM and I heard its not compatible.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby Ericmopar » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:23 am

Jalsina, OEM discs are for new builds.
They are more flexible than the discs available online or at retail outlets.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby Ericmopar » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:26 am

bpetit wrote:Eric, I might I don't know yet.

Jalsina,
I do not like Windows Updates getting forced on to the computer. I also have some older games that are DRM and I heard its not compatible.


The problems for gamers on Windows 10, is that the forced driver updates mess up a lot of games and graphics card setups.
Especially games and sims that aren't well known like our Simulator.
Some have found temporary fixes but find themselves having to redo settings every time Windows 10 updates.
I'd like to update, but these forced driver updates are what's stopping me.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby trev123 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:38 am

What forced driver update on Windows 10. Have had it since it came out and have never had a forced driver update.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby Ericmopar » Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:43 am

trev123 wrote:What forced driver update on Windows 10. Have had it since it came out and have never had a forced driver update.


Then what's all this talk about Nvidia and AMD drivers being forced onto the person's PC and fouling everything up? It's all over in the gaming forums.
Trev, do you have Win 10 Home or a commercial variety of Win 10? The commercial versions have more options.
Win 10 home users are getting boned.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby buzz456 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:21 am

trev123 wrote:What forced driver update on Windows 10. Have had it since it came out and have never had a forced driver update.


I see you are running a 960. I am running a GTX 760 and it refuses to run TS smoothly with either of the last three Nvidia drivers. It perfectly happy with a older one 34x.xxx (don't remember exactly). I too have read a couple of places that win10 will update a driver such as this without asking you. Is this wrong information? Or are you just not having a problem because your vid card can handle the newer driver without a problem?
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby peterhayes » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:05 pm

Buzz
You are correct Windows 10 updates any driver including graphics drivers automatically.
MS have issued a temporary fix to stop any driver being updated but it has to be run before each Win 10 update.
You can "delay" Win 10 updates and make it that you know what is going to be updated before it happens.

The problems are with NVidia drivers post 350.12 series starting at 353.xx and later up to 359.06.
With this if you choose ANY SSAA setting in TS2016 this will cause a corruption in the 2D Map - blurred, multiple images, etc - cannot be used for shunting.
The fix is in the NVidia Control Panel (or NVidia Inspector) under 3D settings for TS2016, for AA Mode choose "OVERRIDE" this will not affect the SSAA settings but will give you a 2 D map that you can use.
Unfortunately it does NOT work in the 2D map used in the editor.
Choose any MSAA setting in TS 2016 and there is NO issue with any 2D map.
Both DTG and NVidia have been made aware of the problem.
I reiterate it is ONLY when you use the latest NVidia driver and use any SSAA setting in TS 2016 that this occurs.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby trev123 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:02 pm

buzz456 wrote:
trev123 wrote:What forced driver update on Windows 10. Have had it since it came out and have never had a forced driver update.


I see you are running a 960. I am running a GTX 760 and it refuses to run TS smoothly with either of the last three Nvidia drivers. It perfectly happy with a older one 34x.xxx (don't remember exactly). I too have read a couple of places that win10 will update a driver such as this without asking you. Is this wrong information? Or are you just not having a problem because your vid card can handle the newer driver without a problem?


Here are my Nvidia settings Buzz using the latest Nvidia drivers.

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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby peterhayes » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:24 pm

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Notice TREV has set the AA Mode to "OVERRIDE" so he won't see any 2D map issues (except in the editor) in TS 2016.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:28 pm

I don't have any 2D map issues. I'll have to look tonight and see what my settings are.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:17 pm

That is the same settings that I have.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby trev123 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:14 pm

In power settings I have my computer set for maximum performance under Choose or customise a power plan, whether that makes any difference.
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Re: Never built a PC before so I'm here..

Unread postby bpetit » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:54 am

I swear the hardest thing is just waiting for everything to get delivered.
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