Union pacific gp50!

[LordMannu]

Hi guys.
I will take note of all the issues you find in the next few days and fix them. Then send a new version to DTG.

[_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha]

Hi guys.
I will take note of all the issues you find in the next few days and fix them. Then send a new version to DTG.

Very good.

I've never seen one for real, so I cannot comment on their exterior appearance and such.

I am mostly into cab controls, instruments and physics.

The brake system isn't properly set up: system pressure should be 90 PsI, that goes for brake pipe and eq reservoir maxima.
The EngineBrakeControl doesn't use the 26L formula, release at 0% and direct at >5% are enough.
I think it is impossible with the current game to have a proper 26L formula on the automatic train brakes. I.e. Release - Minimum Reduction - Full Service - Suppression - Emergency, over the proper arcs of the handle and with the right pressures and actions, other than by extensive scripting. I haven't looked into the new VRC engines yet.
The locomotive brake cylinder pressure should be shown in the gauge, not the train's.
Locomotive brake cylinder maximum pressure around 65 (single clasp brake shoes). Don't know what train brake cylinder pressure stands for in a locomotive, so I'd set that to 65 PsI as well.

Dynamic brake handles aren't notched, AFAIK. There is no setup position on EMD's, I am unsure as to what is right or wrong.

Perhaps some experts can share their view on these matters first?

DigitalInputSensitivity on the primary controls could be lower so they are easier to "handle" using the keyboard.

A screenshot showing the open doors and windows, and platform and truck lights, a nice feature.

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[BNSFdude]

Locomotive brake cylinder pressure is 72 PSI on most EMDs.

[conrail1]

has anybody found a video online of this?

[bpetit]

conrail, I would do one but I'm waiting for the patch first.

[plethaus]

You might be waiting a while... DTG isn't exactly timely with updates for locos, it seems.

[awaken1977]

Got this one.
First of all, thanks to all who worked on this
It has some strong and weak sides too.

1. I love the cabine switches. Headlight switch has realistic modes, dim/med/bright, as supposed to be.

2. Sound is awesome. Especially if you open the cabine door at full speed - engine effect is obvious

3. Dissatisfied with cabine windows proportions. This issue I addressed quite long ago on SD45, and it still there :-(

windows are too wide, and unevenly spaced. it's more obvious from inside.
I added Ian Allen's spartan cab for comparision, it's close to real thing




I don't concern things like horn and light placement, since they are so different on different railroads (or even loco road numbers)

[GSkid]

Ya know......I've grown quite tired of this. Just about every locomotive DTG released has issues. I'm pretty much on the verge of not buying any new content until the new Unreal engined sim comes out in a few years and hope they do a much better job of beta testing and making new locos for it. There are boatloads of pictures of these locos and even real life examples running the rails...... yet here we are.

awaken1977 is right. Those windows are huge and are not proportionally correct with each other. I'd have a very hard time adding this to my collection even for free, let alone paying $20. So glad you guys volunteer to be the guinea pigs and give us the heads up before we drop any money. I'm a hardcore EMD guy, but I just can't bite.

Sorry for the rant but I'm just beyond frustrated with DTG's locomotive releases. I've been much happier with their route releases.

[buzz456]

Boys, vote with your wallet and things will get fixed.

[Ericmopar]

Locomotive brake cylinder pressure is 72 PSI on most EMDs.

That sounds about right, but 60 percent force vs vehicle mass and 60 psi max cylinder pressure and 60 for max force make for more realistic braking in game.

That and despite what some of the Developer Wiki stuff says. the triple valve, proportional braking, and graduated release should all be "eTrue" .
That Wiki claims a lot of stuff isn't used by the game engine, but it lies...

[bpetit]

All in all, don't trust the wiki.

[jmslakings]

Boys, vote with your wallet and things will get fixed.

Agreed! Instead of complaining about models, just stop buying them.

[_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha]

Boys, vote with your wallet and things will get fixed.

Agreed! Instead of complaining about models, just stop buying them.

I don't think that will work, because we are in an anology of the "chicken and egg" situation here.

Every complicated 3D model is a compromise and contains errors. Errors that can be fixed with the right attitude towards customer satisfaction.

Problem with DTG is, they don't have USA specialists in house. They are based in the UK and everything non-UK is outsourced. LordMannu made this model at home in Argentine I believe. Testing (if any?) was done by somebody else who knows what about USA locomotives. If the model looks OK and doesn't crash the game it is released for sale.

LordMannu asked in this very thread for any mistakes or omissions, so he can try to correct them. It is our chance to improve a good model and make it great.

[Ericmopar]

Asking is one thing, but getting help is a whole other problem. It's tough to get feedback around here.
I know how that can be. A person doesn't want to be the bearer of bad news, when everyone is pretty close around here.

[GSkid]

Boys, vote with your wallet and things will get fixed.

Agreed! Instead of complaining about models, just stop buying them.

They will want to know why they aren't selling. Otherwise they assume it's a disinterest of GP50s in general. That's why big corporations hire market research firms to find out why products aren't selling well or how to make a good selling product sell even more.

I know I'm far more tolerant on DTG's routes because I don't expect the objects and scenery to be precise along the whole of a 140+ mile route like Donner Pass. That would take an insane amount of time and effort to complete with tens of thousands of objects to place. Certainly it wouldn't maintain it's $40 price if that were the case.

I have much less forgiveness on DTG's locos cuz they don't have to get an entire route correct with thousands of objects...... they need to only get a SINGLE OBJECT correct.....the locomotive.

And considering locos are $20.....for twice the money I can get an entire route. So that $20 loco had better be right to get my money.