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Container cars other than well-type or spine...

Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:43 pm
by NDORFN
Now that we've got chassis trailers thanks to danpmeyer I'd like to include a container transfer at the transload on my route but on a very small scale ie. a couple of cars on a siding loaded by a forklift... the kind of thing that in NZ we'd consider a major operation lol. I've looked everywhere on the interweb and can't find anything. I was wondering, in the US are there any VERY small container terminals and if so what cars do they use? Let's say, a small siding, maybe a modern team-track, where a single container would be loaded by forklift or maybe a swing-arm trailer. Surely there must be cars used smaller than well cars?

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Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:46 pm
by arizonachris
I live by the ports of San Pedro and Los Angeles, and I also do volunteer work at the USS Iowa, across the channel from where the containers get loaded. I have yet to see a regular TOFC get loaded. It's all containers, big and small, and huge crains. Even the small 20f containers use the big well cars. Big containers, 48f I think, can use the same well cars. The port doesn't care. They pick it up and put it on a huge ship.

I think G Trax has some double stacks, but they are most likely well cars.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:05 pm
by PapaXpress
FYI the gtrax stack and passenger cars are now in the RWA library.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:52 pm
by g_nash
NDORFN wrote:Now that we've got chassis trailers thanks to danpmeyer I'd like to include a container transfer at the transload on my route but on a very small scale ie. a couple of cars on a siding loaded by a forklift... the kind of thing that in NZ we'd consider a major operation lol. I've looked everywhere on the interweb and can't find anything. I was wondering, in the US are there any VERY small container terminals and if so what cars do they use? Let's say, a small siding, maybe a modern team-track, where a single container would be loaded by forklift or maybe a swing-arm trailer. Surely there must be cars used smaller than well cars?


Nope , with the possible exception of some municipal waste transport . Greenbriar have these http://www.gbrx.com/Flat_Cars.php?expandable=0 (see the middle pic) for Intermodal/waste.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:57 pm
by NS9030
Uhh guys, you can't get any smaller than nothing at all !**duh*!!
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Or even this:
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1 Axle Flatcar.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:06 am
by thecanadianrail
NS9030 wrote:Uhh guys, you can't get any smaller than nothing at all !**duh*!!
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Or even this:
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1 Axle Flatcar.


yea those would be easy makes for RW, the first one is called a Road Railer, and the second is called a Rail Runner. Road railers were a more eastern type of thing and the rail runners were common everywhere and still are found here and there if you watch carefully.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:04 am
by jmslakings
I haven't seen a FrontRunner flatcar in over ten years, Im pretty sure there all gone now. RoadRailers are becoming rare too. !!jabber!!

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Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:17 am
by g_nash
jmslakings wrote:I haven't seen a FrontRunner flatcar in over ten years, Im pretty sure there all gone now. RoadRailers are becoming rare too. !!jabber!!


Yeah, I can't recall anyone seeing the frontrunners in ages , but maybe there a handfull still living. Was'nt there talk of Roadrailers being scrubbed ? .

Seems that the idea of of RoadRailer type equiepment is pretty much dead , neither the Railmate or Railrunner systems ( the later maybe it's close to what NDORFN is looking for ) gained much NA support ,though maybe Railrunner can gain a small foothold in the EU to go with the Indian 10 year deal.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:48 am
by NS9030
g_nash wrote:
jmslakings wrote:I haven't seen a FrontRunner flatcar in over ten years, Im pretty sure there all gone now. RoadRailers are becoming rare too. !!jabber!!


Yeah, I can't recall anyone seeing the frontrunners in ages , but maybe there a handfull still living. Was'nt there talk of Roadrailers being scrubbed ? .

Seems that the idea of of RoadRailer type equiepment is pretty much dead , neither the Railmate or Railrunner systems ( the later maybe it's close to what NDORFN is looking for ) gained much NA support ,though maybe Railrunner can gain a small foothold in the EU to go with the Indian 10 year deal.

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Roadrailers aren't rare, just gotta know what line to look on. The NS Fostoria District and Water Level Route have quite a few roadrailers in each way. I know Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois have them and UP and BNSF run a few.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:10 am
by g_nash
NS9030 wrote:Roadrailers aren't rare, just gotta know what line to look on.


I was thinking more of innovation , hence the reference to the Railmate and RailRunner systems . I can see Railroaders on my line anytime.

Have fun
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Re: Container cars other than well-type or spine...

Unread postPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:47 pm
by NS9030
g_nash wrote:
NS9030 wrote:Roadrailers aren't rare, just gotta know what line to look on.


I was thinking more of innovation , hence the reference to the Railmate and RailRunner systems . I can see Railroaders on my line anytime.

Have fun
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Ohhh my bad, well yea I haven't seen a TTOX railrunner since I was 7.