Scenario Troubleshooting

[jackal40]

Greetings Railfans,

I have run into a most frustrating situation. First, the background: I am creating a route which models the CSX and NS routes into and out of Cincinnati, Ohio. The goal is to reach Toledo, so far we have reached Dayton.

If I create a consist in a free roam scenario, I can drive from one end of the route to the other without issues. I have dabbled with adding AI traffic to this free roam scenario with moderate success. Now to the problem: if I add rolling stock to the yards (9 created so far) and sidings - I get a random SBBH at some point while driving. The crash point is never in the same place or time.

I have run RW Tools over the route and scenario - there are no issues reported. I have attempted to track down the problem using Logmate and the logging settings. I have utilized Process Monitor and windows Performance monitor. I have monitored the commit size of railworks and have seen it crash under 2gb of RAM used. I have run TS2013 with steam both on or off-line. I have two friends also running the route and they have similar problems with no definitive problem identified. We have all verified file integrity and one has completely uninstalled and reinstalled. The route has been built using only standard USrailsim items and freeware downloads. Scenery is minimal at this point, consisting of track, road crossings, some signals, siding markers, destination markers, with some buildings and foliage around Queensgate yard. The scenarios have been created using only stock cars, with over 7,000 cars in use..

Thinking the issue may have been related to duplicate car numbers, I expanded the auto numbering dcsv files and then replaced all rolling stock. The issue still persists.

My system: AMD Phenom x4 975, Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 MMB, 8 GB Ram, ATI HD7870. WD 500 gb HD (one OS, one data). Running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.
Friend 1: AMD Phenom II X4 965, Gigabyte GA-770P-UD3, 8 GB ram, ATI HD5850, WD 1 TB black edition HDD, Samsung 2 TB HDD (pagefile location). Windows 8 Pro 64-bit
Friend 2: Intel Core i5 750 2.67 GHz, 4 GB ram, ATI Radeon HD 4850 1 TB HDD. Windows 7 Pro 64 bit

Suggestions are quite welcome, as are questions. Please help me figure this problem out.

[fraserm]

@jackal40 - Not sure if this applies to your situation, but I've found that when creating scenarios, both free roam and standard, if too many products and providers are chosen using the right-hand flyout it will cause SBHH. I was modifying the free roam scenario included with the new North American Railway Route by CSX2057 (Daniel Cristea). I went hog-wild adding "stuff" that I thought I might use and I came to a point where if I clicked on "just one more" potential item (hey, I might need that!) it went SBHH. My suggestion, if this sounds familiar, is to only enable those products and providers that you actually intend to use in that scenario.
The scenario was permanently ruined at that point and the only thing I could do was uninstall and reinstall the route. Then I only added the items I was actually going to use in the scenario. Worked perfectly after that.

Hope this helps!

Best,
Marc

[jackal40]

Your point is a good one. I had read a suggestion similar to that concerning route building and have unchecked most items.

A check of the scenario's property file shows only 4 items in the preload section (RSC locomotive packs).

[fraserm]

Hope you have success!

M.

[dogrokket]

What is SBBH?

[OlPaint]

SBHH is a general term - "Something Bad Has Happened" - that Railworks throws out to frustrate us when it cannot load or process a game command. There is no error code or anything that gives us a hint as to what is the cause...

It is very similar to CTD - "Crash To Desktop" - that the other games do when they quit for no apparent reason.

OlPaint

[jackal40]

Sadly, the lack of error messages make troubleshooting problems like this very difficult.

I don't know if the problem is too many cars or something obscure. If it is too many cars, how many is OK?

[buzz456]

I don't think there is any such thing as two many cars. Usually what it means is there is something wrong with one of the things you have there. The only way I know of is first run RWTools if you have it and see if it finds anything wrong. If it doesn't you will need to start taking items out until it runs then you will know which thing it didn't like.

[imnew]

How big is your Kuju folder?

[jackal40]

I don't think there is any such thing as two many cars. Usually what it means is there is something wrong with one of the things you have there. The only way I know of is first run RWTools if you have it and see if it finds anything wrong. If it doesn't you will need to start taking items out until it runs then you will know which thing it didn't like.

I have run RW Tools on both the route and scenario - no issues found.

Guess the next step will be to replace the rolling stock one at a time and see if that fixes things. I hope you're correct about there not being an issue with too many cars!

[jackal40]

How big is your Kuju folder?

6.0 GB. Is that too large? I have added some rolling stock and locomotive repaints, but didn't suspect that folder size was going to be a problem.

[PapaXpress]

I think I know what imnew is getting at, but it does not have to do with the size of the folder (though that is a giveaway) but how many files are in it. There is a known bug where if you too many files in a given provider/product it will cause this problem.

There is a post about this somewhere here.

[buzz456]

Been poking around on this subject and got this. I'm not sure if that's what you are referring to but it might be helpful.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6712&p=83178&hilit=kuju+size#p83178

[PapaXpress]

Yea, that is one of them.

[jackal40]

OK, I had read this thread in my researching the problem. I have not done the steps outlined because I did not believe that my folders had grown large enough to suffer from that problem. I did unselect most of the P/P installed that were not being used yet for scenery items.

My Kuju\RailSimulatorUS\RailVehicles is 2.39 GB with 800MB is in Freight and 1.57GB in Diesel. As I only run US equipment on us routes, I have not downloaded any repaints, etc which are installed in the Kuju\RailSimulator folder - it is 2.83GB.

As my folders are smaller than Bob reports (Kuju\RailSimulator\Railvehicles folder of 4.36 Gb) in that thread, I think this problem is due to something else. However, I'm still going to try to eliminate any unused items this weekend.
While he doesn't mention numbers of cars or locos, I've counted mine up anyways. Locos (68), Freight (304), and Passenger (4).

Please keep the ideas and suggestions coming! Thanks for the ideas so far.