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Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:03 pm

Here is the latest idea that I had. I posted it over at Trainsim.com and only got a PM saying that I'm wasting my time. Never the less I figure I might as well post it here as well.

I've been rolling around some ideas in my head about starting a new group or club of enthusiast that are interested in a particular place and time. The place is the northern anthracite region of Pennsylvania. The time is anywhere between the 1930's to 1950's. I feel that Railworks has basically left out those type of railsim fans that are interested in the historical and nostalgic side of building content and routes in a rail simulator. Here is what I'm proposing.
The anthracite regions of Pennsylvania played a very big part of American railroad history. There are only a few places in the US that had so many major railroads working in one localized area. They were all there to prosper on the shipping of anthracite coal. The northern anthracite region is basically a crescent shaped valley running southwest to northeast. The valley is separated by two names. The Wyoming Valley which was in the southern end of the valley and includes the city of Wilkes-Barre. The north end which is called the Lackawanna Valley which includes the well known city of Scranton. My proposal is not to start route but a area. Anything with in the confines of this valley can be modeled. Starting at some center point of the valley and working outwards. Adding small sections at a time. One could be working on a branch line while another person can be working on a small area around a coal breaker. Another person could be researching another section while yet another person is working on a period repaint or model. There are many different functions that one can do. This is not just for the model builders. I'm sure there are even some functions I probably haven't even realized yet. As new sections are added to the map, the map is updated and sent out to group members as well all that are interested. It will be an ongoing process. If one gets board and wants to work on something for themselves, they can take a break and when they are ready to rejoin the project they can as there will always be smaller project with in the main project. One only need to speak up when they feel that they can contribute something or have an idea or knowledge of a particular subject that is being work on or that is in the planning stages.

Here is a Google map of the proposed area. This map shows the different railroads with in the valley. Not shown on the map (for clarity reasons) are all the locations of last generation coal breakers, rail yards and roundhouses.
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You can download this map here if you want a look.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vige7ghto8xetub/Northern%20Anthracite%20Project%202.0.kmz?dl=0

At this time I'm just seeing if there is any interest in creating this type of a group. There is no project name or no web page to go to. These things are best decided as a group.
Feel free to comment on this idea.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:32 pm

Sounds like a great idea, I'd be more than glad to help with laying track, placing signals and placing scenery if this project ever gets rolling.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:32 pm

stationmaster101 wrote:Sounds like a great idea, I'd be more than glad to help with laying track, placing signals and placing scenery if this project ever gets rolling.


I'm currently building a new web page. It's not just for showing the stages of a Railworks project, but a place that other folks can find resources about the anthracite region. I've also added a page for downloads for map updates and custom content.

I'm still brainstorming for ideas so it may be a few days before something is ready to show.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:35 am

Sure thing, while your working on ideas, I would suggest adding some kind of asset list so everyone knows what to use when they build their section of the route or what assets they will need to run the rest of the route. Also I will probably either work on the Erie Railroad section or the PRR section since those are the only railroads I really know from that area. *!embar*!
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:27 am

stationmaster101 wrote:Sure thing, while your working on ideas, I would suggest adding some kind of asset list so everyone knows what to use when they build their section of the route or what assets they will need to run the rest of the route. Also I will probably either work on the Erie Railroad section or the PRR section since those are the only railroads I really know from that area. *!embar*!


No problem. PRR only had a small section, coming into the valley from the south. Going no further north then Wilkes-Barre. They did serve a few coal breakers at the southern end. The Erie is a different story. The Wyoming Division of the Erie serve many coal breaker and covered a lot of area in the valley.

Here is a sneak peak at the new site. No reference pictures or information is added yet, but you can get the idea of the site setup.
http://blackdaimondworkshop.weebly.com/

Anybody is free to make suggestions or comment about the web site.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:51 am

Website looks really good, can't wait to get started on laying the track !!*ok*!!
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby jpetersjr » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:08 am

Think it's a great idea.

Myself, I don't post anything over at Trainsim.com anymore because the people there like to be hostile to us Railworks users, very seldom might they want to leave a post that's actually useful in positive critism.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:35 pm

I have no experience with combining routes or anything so I was wondering, since everyone is working on the different railroads that will at one point cross over or connect to someone else's area, when we upload our new updates to that part will it all just overlap? or will we have to figure out a different system or something?
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:49 pm

stationmaster101 wrote:I have no experience with combining routes or anything so I was wondering, since everyone is working on the different railroads that will at one point cross over or connect to someone else's area, when we upload our new updates to that part will it all just overlap? or will we have to figure out a different system or something?


There is a system I'm looking into that uses a build by tile system were a creator works certain tiles. As the tiles are completed, they are merged to a master route. The master route is then updated and sent out to the creators again. This way many different creators can work on the same project at one time.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:55 pm

jpetersjr wrote:Think it's a great idea.

Myself, I don't post anything over at Trainsim.com anymore because the people there like to be hostile to us Railworks users, very seldom might they want to leave a post that's actually useful in positive critism.



I updated some information at Trainsim.com forums but the posts were never approved (I guess) so I never posted again. I really don't understand why people are so hostile to each other over there.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:49 pm

BDWorkshop wrote:
stationmaster101 wrote:I have no experience with combining routes or anything so I was wondering, since everyone is working on the different railroads that will at one point cross over or connect to someone else's area, when we upload our new updates to that part will it all just overlap? or will we have to figure out a different system or something?


There is a system I'm looking into that uses a build by tile system were a creator works certain tiles. As the tiles are completed, they are merged to a master route. The master route is then updated and sent out to the creators again. This way many different creators can work on the same project at one time.

Yeah that sounds like it will be great. Hopefully we can get the ball rolling at some point soon and will have a nice team to work on the route.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby Bananarama » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:39 pm

BDWorkshop wrote:I really don't understand why people are so hostile to each other over there.


It happens here too. The difference is that this board has better moderation.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:25 pm

I'm re-thinking the web page. Specifically the reference pictures. It would seem that finding and posting high quality pictures of coal breakers and railroad locomotive are not as easy as I first thought. This also takes away from the goal that I have in mind...a Railworks project.

What I think I'm going to do instead is post pictures of items that will be needed for the project. locomotives, buildings and bridges and so on. If someone is interested in contributing something to the project they can go to this page and see what is being worked on and what is still needed.

On other notes...before I can start this process I need two things. 1. A starting point. I gave some thought about this and I believe it should be LV Coxton Yard. Since I've already built this yard in Railworks (twice), and it is about mid point between the Wyoming and Lackawanna Valleys. I'm still open to suggestions on this. #2 A base content map for texture set. The Horseshoe Curve map is the only US route set in the same time period that the project will be. Unless anyone has any other ideas about this I think that is the texture that should to be used.
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby BDWorkshop » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:07 pm

I've been working on the main page of the project site. I opened up a resource department to download all the mapping needed for this project. Some of the map packs are big. Since Weebly has a 10MB limit on downloads, I've link to my Dropbox folder. Please test these links. I want to make sure that everybody has access to them.

I really need a name for this project. Any suggestions?
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Re: Have an Idea

Unread postby stationmaster101 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:22 am

BDWorkshop wrote:I'm re-thinking the web page. Specifically the reference pictures. It would seem that finding and posting high quality pictures of coal breakers and railroad locomotive are not as easy as I first thought. This also takes away from the goal that I have in mind...a Railworks project.

What I think I'm going to do instead is post pictures of items that will be needed for the project. locomotives, buildings and bridges and so on. If someone is interested in contributing something to the project they can go to this page and see what is being worked on and what is still needed.

On other notes...before I can start this process I need two things. 1. A starting point. I gave some thought about this and I believe it should be LV Coxton Yard. Since I've already built this yard in Railworks (twice), and it is about mid point between the Wyoming and Lackawanna Valleys. I'm still open to suggestions on this. #2 A base content map for texture set. The Horseshoe Curve map is the only US route set in the same time period that the project will be. Unless anyone has any other ideas about this I think that is the texture that should to be used.

Yeah horseshoe curve seams like the best base route to use, we could also use sherman hill and/or the NS Coal route, since everyone who bought ts2016 will have those, also that starting point sounds like it would be best as everyone can branch out from it.
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