Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby SargNickFury » Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:37 pm

Okay mine starts with "Brescia-Iseo_1_0.part01.rar" and there are 8 parts. I don't use winzip, as it doesn't work as well with RAR files I've found. I use "Free Rar extract frog". Very good rar utility and is true freeware. If that doesn't help pm your e-mail, and i can try and send my copy of part 2. It may be the utility and the format they are using for the split file.
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:33 am

SargNickFury wrote:Okay mine starts with "Brescia-Iseo_1_0.part01.rar" and there are 8 parts. I don't use winzip, as it doesn't work as well with RAR files I've found. I use "Free Rar extract frog". Very good rar utility and is true freeware. If that doesn't help pm your e-mail, and i can try and send my copy of part 2. It may be the utility and the format they are using for the split file.


Thanks for offering, Sarge, but we must have been writing our last messages simultaneously (needed the spell-checker's help with that word!). Thanks to the download manager you suggested--I think it was you--I got all 8 parts of the installation file and successfully installed the complete route. It is a beauty! I've already driven two scenarios, plus a free-roam I hastily put together to take a tour through the entire route.

There are a couple of pieces of rolling stock that only appear as couplers, but I'm going after them today by opening my free-roam for editing and checking all rolling stock, one piece at a time. I think that the invisible culprits are passenger units, but I should soon be sure.

One of the many things I really enjoy about Italian routes is the station announcements (in Italiano, naturally), many of which are keyed to the arrival or departure of a specific train.
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby Chacal » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:04 pm

Make sure you read all the readmes. Some assets need to be completed with more add-ons.
So far I found only two payware add-ons.

I've started the lenghty process of unpacking all the files by hand. Packages within packages.
The amount of assets is insane. I'm going to have a separate Railworks installation for European routes.

In the "Only in Italy" department:
there's an asset pack named "rs_women_pack1_v1.0.rpk".
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:56 pm

Now that I have the route and lots of rotabili (rolling stock) installed, I'm looking around and seeing some peculiar sights. For example, in the Brescia area, all of the electrified track areas have overhead wires -- please excuse my ignorance of proper terminology, but only some areas have poles to support those wires. Could I still be missing some assets or did the route's designer simply get lazy? Will someone else with this route installed please check this area and see if the electrification equipment is complete or not?

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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby SargNickFury » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:38 pm

Could it be strung up on a web? they used to do that some places to reduse all the poles. I honestly never noticed. Really given that the route is 99% no electric, I guess I didn't pay much attention in Brescia. :D
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby Chacal » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:56 pm

You probably forgot to install one of the add-ons required for some assets,
For example, in the readmes you see things like this:
For a correct work you have to install the following "Lanterne di End" pack:
RSItaliaRW_Accessori_Pack_v2.0.rwp
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:41 am

Chacal wrote: ... Packages within packages. ... The amount of assets is insane. I'm going to have a separate Railworks installation for European routes.


Indeed! However, Brescia - Iseo is way behind Ferrovia sul confine Italia-Francia (Italian-French Border Railway when it comes to required assets: four massive assets packs containing a total of 21,347 files that amount to 3,727,573 KB. As though that weren't enough, the Altenburg-Wildau, Torino-Genova, and Brescia-Iseo routes have to be installed, plus a 97,703 KB "objekt pack" and a 53,678 KB "scenery pack". Oh, yes, and the route installer itself, a mere 34,073,863 KB!

I already have Torino-Genova and Brescia-Iseo installed and I've downloaded all the rest of this, but am not sure whether I'm going to install it.

Is there a Guinness World Records Book entry for RW route requirements?
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:49 am

Chacal wrote:You probably forgot to install one of the add-ons required for some assets,
For example, in the readmes you see things like this:
For a correct work you have to install the following "Lanterne di End" pack:
RSItaliaRW_Accessori_Pack_v2.0.rwp


That's always possible, yes. However, I think I checked everything and then there's the fact that this, like all Italian routes, is a never-ending "work in progress" ... pretty much like Italy itself, come to think of it. My dear second homeland is currently attempting to combine a non-politician comedian and a should-be jailbird into a government. Santa patatina!!!
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby Chacal » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:50 pm

I can't think of Italy without thinking about that "... and it's all organized by the Italians" joke that's everywhere on the internet.
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby SargNickFury » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:52 pm

Old Prof wrote:
Chacal wrote: ... Packages within packages. ... The amount of assets is insane. I'm going to have a separate Railworks installation for European routes.


Indeed! However, Brescia - Iseo is way behind Ferrovia sul confine Italia-Francia (Italian-French Border Railway when it comes to required assets: four massive assets packs containing a total of 21,347 files that amount to 3,727,573 KB. As though that weren't enough, the Altenburg-Wildau, Torino-Genova, and Brescia-Iseo routes have to be installed, plus a 97,703 KB "objekt pack" and a 53,678 KB "scenery pack". Oh, yes, and the route installer itself, a mere 34,073,863 KB!

I already have Torino-Genova and Brescia-Iseo installed and I've downloaded all the rest of this, but am not sure whether I'm going to install it.

Is there a Guinness World Records Book entry for RW route requirements?



It gets worse Ferrovia sul confine Italia-Francia is the one I am still working on, even after all of those there's missing textures some because they just have not documented them, and I am using google translator to hunt them down, and two the route is not close to complete and is a near never ending work in progress.... :D On the other hand I only discovered Brescia Iseo because it was a requirement. I have one drive dedicated to just steam, and hopefully it will last me to complete this... !*hp*!
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby SargNickFury » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:54 pm

Chacal wrote:I can't think of Italy without thinking about that "... and it's all organized by the Italians" joke that's everywhere on the internet.
The british cooks and German policeman parts are still more terrifying to me.. !*roll-laugh*!
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby chrisreb » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:59 am

All the Italian routes are very worthwhile. The Ferrovaria... is worth the effort as there are loads of scenarios for it now, I still have a few missing textures which I am trying to resolve with the route builder.

Really is worth the effort. I do have a separate asset folder for these routes however to get them to run.
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:52 am

johnmckenzie wrote:Ah, I can see the flaw in my suggestion - uninstalling wouldn't be so simple unless you provided a simple text file describing which assets and which route to delete in order to uninstall.


Actually, John, your earlier post got me thinking and I realized that installing all of a given route's rwp files on the same day without installing anything else on that day would ease later removal, since the Package Manager's list of installed items can be sorted by date. I eventually did this for the Brescia-Iseo route and, when I decided that incomplete downloads had led to missing assets and wanted to remove everything, I simply followed the method described above. After using Internet Download Manager to obtain complete downloads, I installed the route again, this time successfully.
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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:05 am

Despite the installation problems I ran afoul of, caused almost certainly by faulty downloads from the AmiciTreni site, this free route is very enjoyable. There aren't many scenarios available, but at least the route came with a full list of freeware rotabili (rolling stock), which is more than can be said for work sold by others who apparently write scenarios for their payware routes designed primarily to sell their payware rolling stock. I bought one such route recently and am still laboring to substitute standard RW wagons and engines so I can run the scenarios, which may or may not prove worth the effort. I've resolved not to fall into that circular trap again. As Sabina says in Thornton Wilder's The Skin of our teeth, "Now, I name no names and I make no charges, but I'm leaving!"

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Re: Dreaming of Brescia - Iseo

Unread postby OldProf » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:08 am

SargNickFury wrote:It gets worse Ferrovia sul confine Italia-Francia is the one I am still working on, even after all of those there's missing textures some because they just have not documented them, and I am using google translator to hunt them down, and two the route is not close to complete and is a near never ending work in progress.... :D On the other hand I only discovered Brescia Iseo because it was a requirement. I have one drive dedicated to just steam, and hopefully it will last me to complete this... !*hp*!


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