TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby ElphabaWS » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:12 am

New Train-Simulator.com article regarding coal operations on the upcoming Sand Patch route: https://train-simulator.com/loading-and-lugging-coal/
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:30 am

Somebody in the beta testing crew going to point out to DTG that diesel smoke ain't that white?
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby Griphos » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:37 am

Yeah, there's a nit for you. I'm pretty sure some of the trees along that route aren't quite that shade of green, either!

Someone tell this guy that his smoke is the wrong color too!

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Will someone else point out that it's hard to tell those screenshots aren't photos, even with that allegedly pale diesel smoke?

Nice article!
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Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:53 am

The article doesn't go into details on the actual loading process.

How is this accomplished in the prototype? I assume the trains moves slowly and steadily under the tipple. The chute opens over a car and closes when the car is loaded, all while the car moves beneath it.

Will that loading on the move be in the game? One of the captions mentions "The Casselman River flows alongside as a pair of CSX SD40-2s ease a train through the Shaw tipple on a wintry day " ???
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby OldProf » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:39 am

_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha wrote:The article doesn't go into details on the actual loading process.

How is this accomplished in the prototype? I assume the trains moves slowly and steadily under the tipple. The chute opens over a car and closes when the car is loaded, all while the car moves beneath it.

Will that loading on the move be in the game? One of the captions mentions "The Casselman River flows alongside as a pair of CSX SD40-2s ease a train through the Shaw tipple on a wintry day " ???


Although Gary didn't provide much in the way of loading details (subtext: buy it to find out), there is this intriguing statement: "Loading a full train from the diminutive Shaw loader could take one or two days". Now, there's a scenario for us!

Although loading simulations of any kind have always looked pretty awkward in TS, and strictly one car at a time, I do recall some loaders from the days when I played with that other train simulator that supposedly offered te kind of loading you described. I also recall that it never worked.

Hear that? Of course you don't. It's the sound of pre-purchasers holding their collective breath while wait-and-see-ers do just that.

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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:48 am

From Ref.com:
White smoke occurs in a diesel engine when the diesel fuel goes through the engine and reaches the exhaust without having been burned. This typically occurs due to the engine being too cool to burn the fuel, often resulting from low compression in one cylinder, problems with the fuel injection timing or a defective fuel injector.Other causes for a diesel engine failing to burn the diesel fuel and producing white smoke include poorly sealed piston rings, burnt-out glow plugs, poor fuel quality or a clogged air filter. Extreme engine problems, such as a cracked block, a cracked cylinder head, leaking valves or a blown head gasket, can also cause the problem.

Sometimes white smoke only appears when the engine starts cold, going away as the engine warms up. When this occurs, it is typically due to deposits around the piston rings. Products designed to flush carbon away from the pistons often cures this problem. If the white smoke is due to the engine being too cool, adding an automatic pre-heater may eliminate white diesel smoke.

Diesel engines also sometimes produce black or blue smoke, both of which are also signs of problems within the engine. Black smoke indicates poor combustion of the diesel fuel, and blue smoke is a sign of oil burning within the engine.
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby RSMattP » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:56 am

Yes, coal loading is done "on the move".

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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby Griphos » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:12 am

I do kind of miss my model railroading days in some ways...I loved the superdetailing! Of course, that was largely about creating a sense of reality and life...something this new sim, from those screenshots, seems to be doing a decent job at as well. I just hope it's possible to run it on regular computers.

I'm curious to see how the coal loading works in it. On the move sounds pretty cool.
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Unread postby OldProf » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:05 pm

RSMattP wrote:Yes, coal loading is done "on the move".

Matt.


Thanks, Matt! That promises to be quite interesting and leads me to wonder what other wonders await us.

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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby ET44C4 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:34 pm

buzz456 wrote:Somebody in the beta testing crew going to point out to DTG that diesel smoke ain't that white?

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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby imnew » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:54 pm

Nice article with some amazing shots!
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:11 pm

OK I turn over my king. But you guys find a picture of one of these locos running down a mainline at speed throwing out white smoke and I'll show you one with a serious malfunction going on.
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby ErikGorbiHamilton » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:59 pm

buzz456 wrote:OK I turn over my king. But you guys find a picture of one of these locos running down a mainline at speed throwing out white smoke and I'll show you one with a serious malfunction going on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx12CdvtGAc

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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:43 pm

The constant white smoke probably means the emitters aren't scripted to the engine workload.

We'll see in three days when we can get our own hands on the throttle.
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Re: TSW Sand Patch route - coal operations

Unread postby trmike999 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:55 pm

buzz456 wrote:OK I turn over my king. But you guys find a picture of one of these locos running down a mainline at speed throwing out white smoke and I'll show you one with a serious malfunction going on.


Would this count? https://youtu.be/VZ3WhoCzla8?t=459 It's a B&LE SD38 workin' hard *!greengrin!* Although I'm not sure if the IC SD70 is putting out any sort of smoke, probably just the SD38.



Back on topic, I wonder if we'll be able to go inside the operating building (if there is any; I was thinking of some of the ones in the NS Coal District DLC) at all and set up loading controls...
RSMattP wrote:Yes, coal loading is done "on the move".

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Glad to hear that, I definitely wouldn't want to stop and load every individual car like in Railworks *!rolleyes!*
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