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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby trev123 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:45 pm

GSkid wrote:I did the survey. Not because I think it will actually do any good, but in the hope that someday by chance it might.

The questions they ask in a lot of cases aren't that helpful, nor make a lot of sense. I mean I'm glad they asked if I play Run 8 and Trainz, but why are they asking me if I play Project Cars or Fishing Sim World? They seem like a ship that is rudderless and drifting aimlessly. Having bought a ton of DLC from them in the past, I haven't seen a reason to buy any in ages. i don't know if it's arrogance, incompetence or both on their part. How the sound guys at that company still have a job is beyond me.They get so little right when it comes to locomotive sounds. At least the survey gives you a blank text box to list the things you want better, but are they ever gonna truly listen and act on it?

My gut says Dovetail with eventually go out of business if they don't get their act together. Right now they are just treading water and I won't shed a tear if they fail. Why? Because we've tried to give them good input for years and in most cases they just plain ignore it. Luckily we have other train sim options. **!!2cents!!**


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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby BNSFdude » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:06 pm

RailWorkshop wrote:Will wait the Searchlight Simulations' AC4400CW in TSW also!
!!*ok*!!

Not ever.
Increase the amount of time and labor needed for development, for even less return due to the steam distribution cut, the DTG cut, and the Epic games cut. No thanks.

Re: the EP comment. The whole reason we made EPs is because we felt that there was areas that could use improvement overall. So you're saying that we'd end up making the same locomotives DTG does left and right from scratch, that likely wouldn't sell due to people having a hard time justifying two of the same product?
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby BNSFdude » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:12 pm

Tell you what, I will livestream me eating my own shoe if DTG ever managed to make something with good sound, and that performs to the expectations that they lied to the community about. Particularly TSW being the next-generation and "feeling the detail."
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby buzz456 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:29 pm

BNSFdude wrote:Tell you what, I will livestream me eating my own shoe if DTG ever managed to make something with good sound, and that performs to the expectations that they lied to the community about. Particularly TSW being the next-generation and "feeling the detail."

That would be prime entertainment perhaps with a little Tabasco and salt. !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*!
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Unread postby RailWorkshop » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:06 pm

steam distribution cut, the DTG cut, and the Epic games cut

Selling via your website, not steam should be a good idea. !!*ok*!!
Nobody forcing to go via STEAM way. 1/3rd of profit.. !*hp*!

that likely wouldn't sell due to people having a hard time justifying two of the same product?

We have many Locos which were re-released?
Yes look at Class 37.
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Unread postby RailWorkshop » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:10 pm

A video showing what TSW lacks.
https://youtu.be/FGyIxP9Rm7g
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Unread postby RailWorkshop » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:12 pm

BNSFdude wrote:Tell you what, I will livestream me eating my own shoe if DTG ever managed to make something with good sound, and that performs to the expectations that they lied to the community about. Particularly TSW being the next-generation and "feeling the detail."

Hah, you won't get a chance. !*brav*!
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby trev123 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:04 pm

DTG is not the only game software company who don't fix things.
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby BNSFdude » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:46 pm

Does that make it excusable?
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby TheTeenageFoamer » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:14 pm

RailWorkshop wrote:With so much of experience with TS, the 3rd party developers will definitely go for making their own new built from scratch addons for TSW rather than making enhancement packs.
Will wait the Searchlight Simulations' AC4400CW in TSW also!
!!*ok*!!

Haw that's funny right there! !*roll-laugh*!
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby trev123 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:19 pm

BNSFdude wrote:Does that make it excusable?


No. I am just pointing out that they are not the only ones who don't fix things. Some people on here only play TS/TSW and nothing else so probably wouldn't know.
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:42 am

RailWorkshop wrote:A video showing what TSW lacks.
https://youtu.be/FGyIxP9Rm7g
Seriously


Good and honest review that conforms to my opinion of this game.
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Re: New TSW player survey

Unread postby GSkid » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:51 am

I used to be angry and frustrated at DTG. The frustration is still there but the anger was replaced long ago with sadness. Because this is so fixable and yet it's barely getting fixed. Yes some bugs have been addressed in updates, but the base fundamentals remain broken and there are no signs they will ever be addressed. I understand Train Simulator is an old product with a few new features added over the years on top of what is mostly legacy base code. But TSW was their fresh clean slate and they have fumbled on it badly. It came out 2 years ago and yet it's basically the same exact software with just different routes and short ones at that.

If memory serves me right, I vaguely remember that video from them that showed a flowchart in the UE4 editor of how power was routed to the traction motors on a component by component level. Bragging about how realistic the behavior and physics of them would be. Does it feel realistic to anybody here or that it's even been implemented yet? Notice they don't talk about the new things and fundamental features they are currently working on to improve it anymore? What little they say pertains to new routes or new locomotives. There is still no editor and still no Raildriver support. Not even the better trackside camera view from TS has made it into TSW yet.

I noticed hertsbob has not posted here since Nov. 2016 and Derek since Jul. 2017. So any direct communication with anybody at DTG, even casually here in the forums has disappeared. What few interviews DTG has given over the years were from outlets they knew would throw them softball questions. I think DTG is on life-support and only still barely alive thanks to TS. You never hear them dropping hints of big things coming in the future anymore. In fact this is the quietest I've ever heard them over the years. I've honestly been waiting for an announcement of layoffs and downsizing at the company. Between the staff and the management, I feel management is more to blame. The project manager seems incompetent and nobody is getting rid of the dead-weight (sound guy.... I'm looking at you! **!!bang!!**).

And that's why I'm sad. They could be bringing money in hand over fist if they would just listen and implement our suggestions. Instead it seems we are likely witnessing the quiet and slow death spiral of DTG. I am very thankful that they released TS 64-bit. That way if the company folds, at least they set TS up with a lot more headroom for 3rd party devs and users to keep TS alive for years to come like the long legs MSTS still has.
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Unread postby RailWorkshop » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:52 am

trev123 wrote:No. I am just pointing out that they are not the only ones who don't fix things. Some people on here only play TS/TSW and nothing else so probably wouldn't know.

I have played FarCry 5, it crashed many times when I was in between the mission killing those Peggies.
I had send all reports and never received any response from Ubisoft.
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Unread postby RailWorkshop » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:04 am

I agree with you.
All those fancy prop looks good but the game is not enough mature yet to handle complex real life physics.
I still have only CSX heavy haul and never dared to purchase any new DLC as I read all reviews on various forums.
The video I have linked in few posts above clearly narrates the upcoming failure, may be one day we may hear - We are closing our TSW just like FSW and now we will focus on Fishing Sim World !*roll-laugh*!
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