General Electric U34CH & Dieseliner Coaches by Pullman Standard

[buzz456]

I wasn't too concerned when I D/L this but I just looked back at the notes on Steam:

Please Note: NJ TRANSIT® U34CH Loco Add-On is required, as a separate purchase, in order to play the scenarios featured in this add-on.

[buzz456]

I'll be darned if I can figure out at this point how to get it to load in a QD scenario. Any help appreciated.

[minerman146]

I don't know who beta tested this thing but just a quick look at the bin file there is all kinds of references to the NJT loco that probably don't have to be there since it seems like the EL one (again a quick look) has everything you need for the thing to show up. However since computers only look where you tell them to look they are looking for the NJT model.

Buzz and guys. I have been alerted of am issue where the Bluebird and silvernose is linked to the the NJT model. What this means is that, while the files are there for horns and physics, in reality, because of the links , you only have skins. So, yes DTM is aware. And im sure im not betraying trust by saying this and that a patch for all 3 units will be submitted after scripting is completed.

As this was not the vision and NOT what i worked on, It pains me to say please hold until this is resolved.

If anyone is super PO'd please pm me and I will do something.

I care very much about this model and my RWA pals. I have done and willl continue as I have since this morning to communcate with the developer and emphasize how critical this is to resolve.

[AmericanSteam]

Did somebody shortcut this to save resources or purposely force you to purchase the NJT version to be able to use the EL. So the EL is basically a reskin and not a stand alone. Hmmmmm.... Ua yeah, am a bit wrankeled fa shua.

[minerman146]

Did somebody shortcut this to save resources or purposely force you to purchase the NJT version to be able to use the EL. So the FL is basically a reskin and not a stand alone. Hmmmmm.... Ua yeah, am a bit wrankeled fa shua.

I dunno. The new units were stand alone. I thought it would be good to patch the NJT with the new scripts. Then these standalones were comfigured to be a dependency of the NJT WITHOUT the scripts and horns. I dont know who or why they decided that. These were my requests. How implementation occured was in the hands of the publisher and the vendor.

I just want this to be done and done correctly.
Fingers are crossed.

[AmericanSteam]

I thought that my issues were due to senility, whatever that is. Who's that guy in the mirror????

[buzz456]

I thought that my issues were due to senility, whatever that is. Who's that guy in the mirror????

Do you know how to fix it? If not I will mess around and see if I can figure out how to make it a stand alone. I don't think it's real difficult.

[buzz456]

I thought that my issues were due to senility, whatever that is. Who's that guy in the mirror????

Do you know how to fix it? If not I will mess around and see if I can figure out how to make it a stand alone. I don't think it's real difficult.

It can't be done by the rules since it's missing a couple of elements.

[AmericanSteam]

Escaping from Hoboken. (if that's possible?) Thank's for the hints. It was like magic. Presto chango, and all appeared

[LukasP]

I'll be darned if I can figure out at this point how to get it to load in a QD scenario. Any help appreciated.

It basically requires modifying the EL units to work entirely independently from the NJT one.
At least, that's how I was able to do it. TS is pretty unpredictable about when QDs work and when they don't.

[minerman146]

Its time for me to chime in again. Firstly, it's good that you guys have figured out how to get the physics and horns, as was intended, working. I can see where the 2 units uh broke down in implementation. This was linking these to units to the unpatched NJT Model, which someone decided to make my two beauties dependent on. Interestingly, the 3 models were supposed to be release together. Buuuut, there was urgency to get a model out, before we had gone into the weeds and fixed the physics and sounds the way we wanted.

While I am confident, that some kind of patch (like porting over the our fixes to the NJT Model) will be forth coming. I am, based on previous experience, not confident that this will be done in a timely manner. One week is my idea of timely. With that said, I was approached by a group of enthusiasts, to get an enhancement pack out for the models, which would fix physics, horn and as an added bonus, sounds. I will say, I am not a fan of community 'fixes' and patches. The reason is, that I feel you should, click and buy, download and run the model and all is well, with a reasonable expectation of accuracy. Stop laughing, I am serious. I realize now that is not the way things roll. I anticipated this, thus the hard work DTM, Cnwfan, my father and I put into getting the U34CH as close as we could get with what we had to work with. This was 2 years ago, as you know.

So, when I got approached by some people, who want to "do this right", with some hesitancy I accepted. My efforts impact the sound, at this stage, we are working on stuff I dreamed of sound wise. Ive spend about 20 hours this weekend, going over the sound from what I know, and then sending them to my Dad for his opinion. Before I delve into what that is like, I will talk about this enhancement. It will include the physics as designed and intended, my horns and a boat load of sound improvements from bare metal. Engine, Coaches, Cab Car all are getting the treatment. For me, as my expectation is one click and done, this pack will require the VRC U30 as the sounds are pulled from that. I know this is an obstacle, I am going with it as this is all I have to make what I envisioned happen due to (legal constraints, permission, and all that at this point it doenst bother me. I played within the system and got left wanting.

I care about you guys, and I read about so much disappointment and frustration. I dont what something that, in reality, I commissioned to drive you nuts. Its intolerable. I feel the same way. I want, I need to do something so you know, I put everything I had into this so you say " wow, this is good" And I want to say that the community is supporting me, discreet and being great about this situation. The talent that I am working with is just amazing, and dedicated. So, in the coming days, your going to be able to click, download and install be done, and experience the vision for the U34CH.

Lastly, I want to talk about fidelity and the challenge of getting a machine, built over 50 years ago to be believable. If you have a 50 year old machine to record off of great. If, not you have to validate your assumptions about how it should be. We got all the paper backing, with drawings, pictures, stats, the manufacturer information and so on, just not a working real life unit. The next best thing, is to have someone who has, at least, hundreds of hours operating the machine available to evaluate the work. Sure I rode in the Comet 1 cab car, and U34CH like 3 times. I have you tube to compare and my memory. But the ace in the hole is my father. And Hole-eeee-cow does he remember. I didnt just sent him sound samples to approve, he has the game, and I moved all the enhancement files in this pack, just like we did with the physics. Its freaking time consuming, and my Dad is a PITA. So, with this enhancement he is calling the shots over what sounds should be there, there volume, both internal and external and how their volume is in relationship to one another. Plus, I get to hear, for hours, all the technical reasons, why it sounds like that. And he is evaluating IN the model, on train simulator, and Im watching him over a shared screen session while he does it.

What I am saying is with this resource, I assure you, this is as close as we can get it. And it sounds freaking phenomenal. So you will shortly hear in the community about this fix. I am going to sign off on it (for what its worth) and give it my blessing. My mission was always to give to you, what I saw and experienced back in 19 - seventy something something and hear you rave about it.

So this is what I am doing. I trust that DTM and DTG will get what they have out there as soon as possible. This enhancement will also be out there. Then, I can take a break, be at peace and you can have some fun on the Bergen or where ever you decide to point your train.

[torfmeister]

Hello, may I suggest setting the CastShadow flag in the OrderLight.bin to 0, as this is a massive FPS eater. (File is in the NJT folder).

Thanks!

[minerman146]

Thank you for identifying where that problem occurred I've passed this along to DTM.

Also I can report that the fix from DTM is ongoing I am assisting with quality control on it. As of today the correct physics have been applied to the New Jersey Transit model and all 5 models will have the physics. We are currently resolving an issue to get the horns to work on all 5 models. The 5 being 3 engines and 2 cab cars.

Carry on.

[AmericanSteam]

I am having low FPS issues as well. Can you provide the path to this please?

[minerman146]

The fps hit only occurs when when you click the order light switch on the control stand. If it's something else can you isolate what might be causing the low fps or is it just in general.

There is an update on the order light issue DTM has accepted the change and completed it, once I get the new file I will confirm.