Railworks America

Judging by the fact that I can't keep up with all the new content recently, I'd say they're speaking out of their @sses.
Meanwhile I'll just go enjoy my new RS-11 from an independent developer.

I knew a guy from Auran that said the same thing about RW when it was first released. While RSC does release content regularly and frequently, that doesn't mean they're the only ones making stuff (Which we KNOW isn't the case, since there are a lot of third-party addons are the same or greater quality as RSC's stuff). The third-party stuff just doesn't get as much hype as the addons released by RSC, which is a shame since there are some nice developers around the RW community. To a Trainz user who doesn't frequent RW boards, it would absolutely appear that only RSC releases RW addons.

Railway simulation politics

what alot of people from "thatothersim" dont realize is that about 75% of our payware developers have started working with RSC to release their stuff via steam. there are a few that still do it 100% on their own which is nice, but thats the only ones "they" notice. yes in the past few months we have had a few freeware content creators convert but...well hey, people come and go.

my point is, DONT GIVE IN TO THEM! i know where you live

They are not driving them away, they are taking them in house. Like 3 or 4 guys from here are now contracting with RSC. If your work is good enough they will ask you to join them. If they don't ask you, because maybe they don't realize you are out there making stuff, you can contact them. Make more money with them using Steam than selling it on your own. You have to take all those outside comments about Train Simulator 2013 with a grain of salt. Everybody thinks the sim they are using is the best and all other are garbage. Just like we who use TS2013 think all the other ones are garbage. To each their own. I also see posts from alot of people who use ALL of the train games. They like trains eh? Just like we do. I personally do not want to support all of them, I like TS2013 the best, it is fun for me and I do not need or want any of the other ones.

I recently bought Run8. I was curious about multiplayer. Well I don't have time to learn all that right now. I also do not have time to play the way they do for 6 or 8 or 10 hours in a session. I work my job 10 hours a day, I do not want to come home and play a game for another 10 hours. Run8 makes you be like a real engineer or close I guess, and it is a lot to learn. It does not matter to me that it has no editors or that the graphics are not like TS. The experience is about operating a train like a real engineer. I thought that was great until I tried it and realized I knew nothing and would have to learn a lot to enjoy it. No time right now for that learning process.

So don't let anyone pressure you, you like what you like and they like what they like. Different strokes for different folks. And if that guy offered Trainz for free I would take it, no way I would buy it.

Well said. And Trainz is garbage

I think Bob nailed it, we all like trains, simple as that i have tried Trainz & Run8 neither is on my computer anymore. I am sure they are both fine simulators and have great supporting communities. NERW & RWA is where i live and i dont intend to move, fulfils my rail needs. Our community here is always doing something and little improvements here and there, it is a great to be part of it. Peter

I enjoy the amount of content in terms of locomotives for Trainz, but other than that I am perfectly content with RW3. I will also state that there are a lot of Trainz users that do not bash on RW3. When I first bought Trainz 12 I went over to the Auran board, even when I stated that I had RW3 no one bashed it. The thing with the internet is, most of the time you hear the radicals more than the calm average Joes. Kinda sounds like government politics eh?

Finally, no train sim thus fair does everything that everyone asks for IMO, none are perfect!

Arctic Cat ZRT wrote:Finally, no train sim thus fair does everything that everyone asks for IMO, none are perfect!

I honestly think RW is the only one with the potential to do everything that everyone asks for. It's already capable of doing alot more than anyone is utilizing, especially in terms of route scenery.

PhilCiborowski wrote:IMO its a model railroading program

My thoughts exactly.

arkansasstormchaser wrote: Trainz has some impressive locomotives and freight cars, but scenery and realism is very weak.

Depends who does the scenery!

I like them all. They all serve a purpose. It is nice to have options.

Harold

I tried trainz once and didn't like it.

I then tried MSTS and enjoyed it for a while until the program decided to crash on me with a unrecoverable error that practically destroyed my entire game, so I wiped my hands of it for good.

Now I have Railworks after first having Rail Simulator and learned how to also build scenery items for the game.

Now I'm working on my first locomotive that I hope to be able to get into the game and running.

Who needs Jointedrail anyway..

Ok ill chime in but i have to pick my words carefully, I met with Mike and Justin of Jointed rail last April, i have to admit i tried trainz, but i cannot get my head around the DEM and the editors, there is some good work out there but like when MSTS came out i have invested too much time and energy and money in RW to switch just yet, i get good frames in TS2013 but awful ones in Trainz, honestly if they combined both sims we might have something.
the thing with Jointed rail is they are a partner of Auran, so they have a vested interest in people switching, its just business, not so much peer pressure so to speak, the guys at Jointed Rails have done alot for the railfans at Folkston. and they are really nice guys, its just business.

we lost an excellent modeler to Run8 but to be honest people have families to feed so even though it sucks, i do understand.

Competition is good, it raises the bar for everyone. I think the idea that third party creators are deserting TS2013 like rats from a sinking ship is entirely untrue. Just look at what Paul Godber is creating at Iron Horse House - absolutely superb UK material. But then you add Britkits, Lord Mannu, Oovee (still working on their U-boat), so many others.

I don't know, but I suspect more people are jumping ship from Trainz to RW, given that Trainz is now so far behind RW in the immersion factor. But actually everyone benefits - I met Paul Jackson and he was quite clear that expanding the hobby is good for everyone. Just let me give an example: let's say that a hundred people take up trainsim 'A'. Fifty of them play it a few times, then delete it. Forty of them love it, buy more DLC and everyone who creates DLC for trainsim A is happy. Ten of them decide that they like trainsimming but simulator A sucks, so they buy simulator B to see what that's like. Well, simulator B just picked up ten customers who they wouldn't have had at all if it weren't for simulator A. And some of those ten buy DLC for sim B. And so it goes on. Still following my tortured logic?

I've no problem with Jointed Rails saying what they say, probably with tongue planted in cheek, I hope they prosper and I hope they dip their toe into the RW pool (although it's unlikely I'll admit).

I read a thread at 'another forum' that asked if Americans were giving up on RW. A very sage person posted that their belief was no, Americans are just giving up on negative threads asking if Americans are giving up on RW.

I'll be around in this hobby, with the guys at RSC, for a long time to come.

Paul