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Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby BlueLight » Sat May 12, 2012 4:03 pm

For routes such as the P&LE, we have gondolas that can carry coils, gravel and logs. There is no modern gondola cars avaiable to carry crushed automobiles or scrap iron. There are quite a few scrap yards on both sides of the rivers in the P&LE.
What we also lack are modern flat cars (non bulkhead) that can carry heavy equipment. See below:
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Sat May 12, 2012 4:30 pm

Yes, indeed common cars like these would be most welcome.

Problem one is these scrap and mill gondolas only look realistic when heavily bruised, battered and weathered, with each car in many varations and states to make them look natural.
Problem two is the lading, this also needs to be varied and realistic. Beams, slabs and rolls of freshly rolled steel, machinery and vehicles of all kinds.

A serious challenge for any builder and given the lowly nature of these cars and industries, probably not a best selling commercial asset. People would rather spend their money on a nice and gleaming streamliner instead of a pack of rusty freight cars.

There is a small selection available, but not in eastern and mid western road names where these once mighty industries were located, the present Rust Belt.
Look here: http://www.stephan-michael.de/railsim/freight.html for a small selection. Most of these cars were designed a few years back or converted from MSTS, so they may look a bit poor from close up. Given the current performance problems of highly detailed and high poly assets, yards full of loaded scrap gons and machinery flats will do your sim's FPS no good however desirable such a sight may be.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby PapaXpress » Sat May 12, 2012 4:53 pm

_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha wrote:Look here: http://www.stephan-michael.de/railsim/freight.html for a small selection. Most of these cars were designed a few years back or converted from MSTS, so they may look a bit poor from close up.


I cannot agree with you on this. It may have been true in the RailSimulator days, but in the RW2 days all of his rolling stock in very detailed and repainter friendly, and much of it was redesigned completely when RW3 came out. I highly recommend his models. If you would like to "starter set" so to speak look at our own RWA donationware which was created by both Michael (GreatNortherner) and Britkits. There are several repaints available.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Sat May 12, 2012 5:22 pm

Sorry about that, Papa. !!**sorry**!!

I confess I haven't expanced or updated my small selection of these freight cars yet.

Still, the choice remains rather limited, but it is good to read many come with ready-to-repaint templates so getting a few non-default roadnames wouldn't be much of a problem.
No modern high side gons, no deep fishbelly gons, no well flats nor depressed center flats on six wheel Buckeye trucks. One must bear in mind that these car types generally made up only a small fraction of any road's rolling stock. Gons like 5-10% and flats like 1-3%.

That only leaves the lading, rusty junk, freshly rolled steel and shining new machinery, vehicles and equipment.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby Merlin75 » Sat May 12, 2012 5:38 pm

You could take alook here for repaints of freight cars http://s1.zetaboards.com/DigiRails_Forums/index/ . It also has some loco repaints but here at RWA has a better choice of locos.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby Chacal » Wed May 16, 2012 9:29 am

I'll never have enough old, bruised, rusted and dirty rolling stock.
But it's little use to me if nobody uses them in scenarios.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby BlueLight » Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am

Repaints are not the issue. The real issue is that there are no gondolas (save Dickyjim's steel works), or flat cars that are able to load anything but gravel and logs. As I said at the begining, if we had modern loadable scrap iron gondolas, and modern loadable flat cars of scrap, or heavy equipment, then perhaps people will start writing scenarios for them. Kind of hard to do if you have nothng to start with. I would love to make them, but you have to know your limitations. I am a fuctional illliterate when it come to computing, so I put it out to the community. The guantlet has been thrown, who is up for the challange?
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby PapaXpress » Wed May 16, 2012 12:23 pm

Blue Light, you really aught to learn how to use RW_Tools. Then you could add existing children to any flatcar or gondola. If you need a small tutorial then I have one here:
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby dejoh » Wed May 16, 2012 1:20 pm

Thanks to PapaXpress, I put these together for my own use. They are created by G-Trax with the Portland Terminal route.
I think they are the best diggers out there for RW. Would like to see more heavy equipment for the rails.
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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby ex-railwayman » Wed May 16, 2012 2:46 pm

Blue Light wrote:For routes such as the P&LE, we have gondolas that can carry coils, gravel and logs. There is no modern gondola cars avaiable to carry crushed automobiles or scrap iron. There are quite a few scrap yards on both sides of the rivers in the P&LE.
What we also lack are modern flat cars (non bulkhead) that can carry heavy equipment. See below:
What do you think?


Looking at Michael Stephan's 52ft gondolas, they do carry scrap iron, which is a default load along with the gravel and sand.

I agree that we could do with a few more additions to the game, nonetheless.

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Re: Modern Gondolas and Flat Cars

Unread postby PapaXpress » Wed May 16, 2012 2:52 pm

The RWA 52' gondola (also from Michael) supposedly includes a open coil load, but I will need to check this.

I have this simmering with all my other pots...
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