Giving up hope yet?

[ArcticCatZRT]

As the days have turned to weeks, that have turned into months now, do you guys still think RSC will update previous DLC? I understand that this may not be there top priority, and may take a while to do, but from what I have seen, for the most part 3rd parties have converted their product to incorporate the new features of TS2012. While some of the offical DLC on Steam has been updated, most seems to be from 3rd parties as well. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only DLC that RSC has updated so far is the 390! At this rate at 3-4 months for just one DLC update it will take years for the DLC to be updated. Personally I am getting the feeling that RSC will "forget" about their statement that they would update previous DLC to the new standards. I know for some it doesn't bother them, but for me I notice I tend to not run stock that isn't updated to new standards(e.i. lighting/rain) as I don't get the same enjoyable immersion factor. I really hope stuff gets updated like the SD70s, which personally my favorite DLC, but my hope is fading. If RSC is planning to update more, why can't they make an official statement, or even a tentative plan to let the public know what is going on? I have seen RSC make 2 second comments on facebook saying "more on the way" when this comment is made on their facebook page, but they have been saying that for a very long time now.

/rant over

What do you guys think?

[XDriver]

Give em time Arctic. I think right now they after the new market. As in new sales to those that are just getting into the game. I visit the facebook page also. They want to push the new products the most but still listen, (a little), about are needs. Build up that bank account and then when things slow down they'll get some stuff updated a little at a time. We are at what now? Update #? 11.0b. I'm glad to get this much. It has improved some from the BIG RW3 update crash. I have a good PC but it was still a struggle to play the darn thing.
As far as you saying about abandoning the old stuff and just running the new stuff. I'm just taking what I can into my own hands and fixing what I can for myself. Mostly converting the repaints I have of RW2 stuff to RW3. No small task. Don't people get paid for this kind of work?
It still beats the heck out of driving around in pretend trucks battling heavy traffic.

[raptorengineer]

i feeling the same way. but i'm waiting too. now i see that some people have added lights them selfs but the rain i think that with model. so would it be easyer to let the commuity of Rail simmers help out. like the ones that added lights to dash9 and sd70s and gp9 sw1200s and so on that they did on there own give back to rsc. then all that rsc have to do is add rain on windows and upload it on steam for updating. it be quicker too.

[artimrj]

This is total speculation. If they change the DLC it might mess up previous scenarios. When we go the Dash 9 there was a career mode container run in it and if you had installed the newS container pack which overwrites the default containers, a track.bin file missing error came up. I know for certain they have said they would not update default routes because it would mess up too many scenarios. So I am not holding my breath but am exploring to update things myself as much as possible. I do believe thats the way it is going to be. But like I said it is my speculation I do not know for sure.

[PapaXpress]

Giving up hope yet?

nope...

[Kali]

This is total speculation. If they change the DLC it might mess up previous scenarios. When we go the Dash 9 there was a career mode container run in it and if you had installed the newS container pack which overwrites the default containers, a track.bin file missing error came up. I know for certain they have said they would not update default routes because it would mess up too many scenarios. So I am not holding my breath but am exploring to update things myself as much as possible. I do believe thats the way it is going to be. But like I said it is my speculation I do not know for sure.

Changing the models won't mess up scenaros - they can just re-export the career ones. Changing physics to fix gross errors might so I doubt we'll see physics issues touched. Models that work already have to be a pretty low priority to update - if that annoys you enough, join the movement to stop buying models & learn to build them instead. Building your own models is satisfying on many levels indeed.

[artimrj]

I am learning to build them. I also beleive in supporting the company though, so I will continue to buy them. I have everything for the US now and half the UK stuff that I dont even use. They are a small company and I like to help the little guy.

If you have the Dash 9 set, install the newS USconti-2.zip package and you will not be able to run the Career scenarios for them because the bin file for the containers was changed. Thats all it takes to mess up the scenarios.

[BNSF650]

Yea i did i moved on to Trainz. Sad to say but way more stuff to play with it.

[ArcticCatZRT]

Funny you mention it I have also recently bought trainz and while there is much more content, I still find myself playing railworks. Honestly, its nice to switch between the games. It keeps me somewhat sane

[TheFlier]

As the days have turned to weeks, that have turned into months now, do you guys still think RSC will update previous DLC? I understand that this may not be there top priority, and may take a while to do, but from what I have seen, for the most part 3rd parties have converted their product to incorporate the new features of TS2012. While some of the offical DLC on Steam has been updated, most seems to be from 3rd parties as well. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the only DLC that RSC has updated so far is the 390! At this rate at 3-4 months for just one DLC update it will take years for the DLC to be updated. Personally I am getting the feeling that RSC will "forget" about their statement that they would update previous DLC to the new standards. I know for some it doesn't bother them, but for me I notice I tend to not run stock that isn't updated to new standards(e.i. lighting/rain) as I don't get the same enjoyable immersion factor. I really hope stuff gets updated like the SD70s, which personally my favorite DLC, but my hope is fading. If RSC is planning to update more, why can't they make an official statement, or even a tentative plan to let the public know what is going on? I have seen RSC make 2 second comments on facebook saying "more on the way" when this comment is made on their facebook page, but they have been saying that for a very long time now.

/rant over

What do you guys think?

OH GOD! I hope not! NEC to me doesn't look that great with TSX features, it just runs like crap. At least WCML looks nice with it's photo-realistic textures, but it runs even worse than NEC. I've even considered writing to the devs and asking if I can swap the new WCML for the old RW2 version (if they still have it).

Well, if they do upgrade RW2 content and force a download of them on us then an awful lot of people (like me) are going to find RW3 too processor intensive for their machines and go find something else to do.
If RSC and their partners want to sell DLC to people other than those with monster rigs, then they need to ditch the heavy stuff and go back to RW2 features. Either that or figure out a way to get our CPU's working hader than their curret 40-50%

I have 3 RW3 routes, but hardly ever use 2 of them as I cant bear seeing 13fps most of the time. Most of my play is on legacy routes. You get nice enough lighting when 'active bloom' is enabled, and the rain on the windscreen looks great too. What more do you want?

[gtw5812]

How do you expect to have the content fixed...when they can't even get the products out on time? "Are you guys enjoying your new DDA40X yet?" They have created a monster...and you all are right...fix what we got...not produce more. But that don't bring in the money....

"Off the Soap Box"

R/
Galen

[artimrj]

They didnt produce the DDX40, Lord Mannu (Cesar Pache) did. All RSC is doing is selling it for him through steam.

[gtw5812]

They didnt produce the DDX40, Lord Mannu (Cesar Pache) did. All RSC is doing is selling it for him through steam.

The Locomotive is actually the "DDA40X". The DD40 as well as the DD35 were produced earlier, and with standard cabs. I know Cesar made it, however, what I was refering to is that he submitted it over a month ago, and when the announced it to be released, it did not follow "protocol" of other releases... ie; around midnight, UK time. Most of their products are released then..or sometimes a little earlier. The bottom line is that RW continues to produce new content, but not upgrade existing. They keep it almost a secret....or send it out "encrypted" via facebook, or other little updates. I have discussed this before, the NEC route being a big problem with lots of folks, as well as other locomotive packs not being upgraded to RW 3 standards. Bottom line...fix the products that we have purchased, then bring on new content. This would be comparible to you purchasing a new vehicle....the manufacturer upgrading it, causing major problems...then, the manufacturer saying..."Hey don't worry about the money you spent on that vehicle...buy this one over here, and park that one in the garage."

"Off the Soap Box"....

R/
Galen

[artimrj]

Comparing a $20 engine for RW to a $20,000 car is not a very fair comparison. For 20 grand I will get satifaction or use the lemon law. For the $20 engine I can wait.

[OldProf]

Come on, folks! Updating* older DLC packages to RW3 standards means paying technicians to do the job. Paying technicians requires selling more new DLC items. RSC, like any software company, has a limited number of creators on board and their time must be divided between making new DLC and updating old DLC. Then there's another factor to consider: the older DLC is still available for purchase. If I were running RSC, I would rank all older DLC in order of current purchases and upgrade the best selling packages first.

Just for the sake of comparison, how many 3rd party creators of routes, rolling stock, etc. have upgraded their work to the RW3 standards? I've seen some examples of payware items being upgraded, but very few (if any) of free-ware being altered. (If I'm wrong about this, please point out specific examples rather than throwing the book at me.)

Do I believe that RSC will eventually upgrade all DLC to RW3 standards? Yes, because it is in their ultimate interest to do so. How long do I think this will take? Read the first paragraph of this message again.

* I won't use the term "fixing" because the older items are not "broken", they still operate as they should even though they do not yet take advantage of new possibilities.

Regards,