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Unread postby zdierkes » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:19 am

I live in thge somewhat small town of Sidney, Ohio. We have 2 main rail lines running both E,W and N,S. There is a bridge on the East/West route running over the North/South route. Prime train watching spot, as the East/West, North/South junction is a stones throw away from the Big-Four Bridge...
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running in the E/W direction, and the N/S direction spearheaded at both ends with large, numerous yards in Lima, Ohio and Dayton, Ohio. This intersection has a single one-sided Y track connecting them as seen here via Google maps: (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=40 ... 6&t=k&z=17)
Now, so far, alot of the downloadable routes (freeware and payware) focus on the moutainous west or the inner-city NEC, and even the mountainous Horse Shoe Curve (which I bought and I love it! !*drool*! ). I've been looking for routes characteristic to the midwest landscapes and industries in the modern era.
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Are therre any routes based in any of these states in the modern U.S. ? I think I could get in to em a little more as I see these types of trains and freight everyday. I see how they work, the cargo, and the daily switching of loaded/empty cars from industries along the lines. ( I used to work at a plastic pellet factory for Japanese automobiles. Raw material in the form of pellets would come in center-flow hopper cars, and I would stage the cars with the engineer on the tracks in which the material would be drawn from...very exciting! !*YAAA*! ) I know the types of cargo, the roadnames, etc. (CSX, Conrail...Coke, autoracks, frame rails, container cars and intermodals to name a few.)
I have the assets, the knowledge and the capability to build a TS'12 route for all four directions. I can travel to "scope out landscapes, map track and label industries in and around my area. I can take pictures of the scenery and video tape all kinds of freight lines and cargo going through my little city. I only live a couple blocks from either direction, and I even have a scanner app for my smart phone that monitors CSX radio frequencies! I know what they're doing! !!det!!
BUT, the bad thing is, I dont have the skills OR the patients and time to create such a thing and turn it into a playable route for TS'12. Ive tried with MTS for a long time, and there is just so much to put in and create! My goodness, and the route creator skill is phenomenol and so demanding...I hit one or two bumps in the making, I get mad and give up. I literally annoyed forum goers with question after question after question. Soon I realized there was no way I could had the time, nor the disiplined patience and mindset to make it work.
So, if any of you route building guru's want a challenge, and would like to bring the midwest U.S. of A., particularly the four pronged CSX route that runs N/S from Dayton to Lima via Sidney, and the E/W route running from Anderson, Ind. or as far as Indianapolis, Ind. to Marion, Oh. to reality on TS'12, I would be happy to help in any way I can. The Big Four Bridge here is a local railroad icon. Sidney's rail lines have a decent history with multiple lines:

"Sidney has two railroad lines. Both were built independently in the 1850s.

Until the 1960s one could board the Knickerbocker Limited in Sidney and then step down in Grand Central Terminal in New York City. This east-west line was built as the Bellefontaine and Indiana Railroad which ran from Galion, Ohio to Union City on the Ohio-Indiana border. It was built in conjunction with the Indianapolis and Bellefontaine Railroad thus providing a route from Cleveland and the East to Indianapolis, and later St. Louis. In 1864, the two were merged into the "Bee" Line: the Bellefontaine Railway, in 1869, into the first "Big Four": the Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Indianapolis Railway, and in 1889, into the second "Big Four": the Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway. In the early 1920s, this railroad relocated its tracks from downtown Sidney to the south edge of the city over the then new Big Four concrete arch bridge. Early in the twentieth century, it was leased by the New York Central System. Later the Big Four was taken over by the Penn Central, then Conrail, and finally CSX Transportation.

In the 1950s one could board a train in Sidney and step down in Cincinnati or New Orleans. This north-south line was built as the Dayton and Michigan Railroad. In the 1860s it was leased by the Cincinnati, Hamilton and Dayton Railroad. It was taken over by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad early in the twentieth century. Later the line was taken over by the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad, then by CSX Transportation."
courtesy wikipedia.com
I will be willing to provide photos and scenic information as well as the specific names of local industries (even if it means traveling). In the event this idea comes to reality I will forfeit any credit whatsoever and leave the credit where credit is due...with the route builder themselves. (including if it becomes payware, I will not ask for money!) All I am offering is an idea...a suggestion and a plea for someone to make a route at least within the U.S. Midwest area. If I cannot provide in depth reference to specific scenic and industrial information to the area being modeled, I can provide assistance in track mapping via google maps (or whatever) and provide any coordinates and route info as I find it available. Basically, I want to make a modern U.S. Midwestern route through all the small towns, servicing graineries, small industries, occasionally running to and from larger switching yards. Id like to see the lush farmlands boardering either side of the tracks, with cattle grazing, the farmer waving and the daily small town factory switch that makes the driver have to time himself when he ventures onto the mainline to run the consists past the switch and quickly run them back into the correct spur before a long haul unit train carrying hundreds of automobiles from Detroit barrels through heading to Dayton to be shuffled into seperate directions. I can paint many pictures of this, But man I cant do it! !**conf**! If I can just assist a skilled builder with such a route, and sit in my office and run the game and actually drive my train accross the Big Four Bridge just like I've seen seen thousands of times in real life...aaahhh, that would be awesome. I would pay top dollar for such a route...even if I helped make it in some ways! (By the way, NEC route is almost $40 to buy on steam. Man, thats twice as much as I paid for the entire figgin' game WITH the upgrade! Is it worth it??)
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby Toripony » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:06 am

I think we need a midwestern route, too. And the concept of one focused around some interchanges sounds fun. Besides the operational flexibilities, the aesthetics of seeing the other trains running across the landscape near your player train is just great. I wish there were 72 hours in a day and I could build all the routes I wanted. *!sad!*
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby TDHenderson » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:30 am

I will recommend the SOO Line, only midwest route that I know of so far.

I have two "buns in the oven" for routes at the moment, one an urban switching route (track work 60% complete, Google Earth decals all laid and ready), the other a long rural Granger line (in the planning stages now, just got all my track charts). Hopefully I will be in a position to share more info soon.

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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby Rich_S » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:35 am

Hi zdierkes,
Don't take this the wrong way, but why don't you build the route? When I started with MSTS way back in 2001, I knew nothing about what was required to build a route in that simulator. Then when I switched to Rail Works last year, I like everyone else had to learn how to use the new RW World Editor. At first it does seem like a steep uphill climb and can feel overwhelming, but after a short period of time you'll be laying track with the best of them. What I did was made a copy of an existing route and then began to modify it. If I trashed it in the process, it was not biggie as it was just a copy. Once I was comfortable laying tracks, roads, etc... I then moved on to creating my own route. Honestly if we all sit around waiting for someone else to create our dream route, we may spend the rest of our lives and never see it. I know everyone has heard this before but it's true, if I can build a route in Rail Works anyone can.

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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby Toripony » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:46 am

Rich_S wrote:What I did was made a copy of an existing route and then began to modify it. If I trashed it in the process, it was not biggie as it was just a copy. Once I was comfortable laying tracks, roads, etc... I then moved on to creating my own route. Regards,
Rich S.


Exactly how I started, by adding tracks to the Bar-SanBar route. I trashed it several times. I also trashed 3 versions of the Alleghany over the first year until I finally got a good one going. And getting 40 miles of the Alleghany done has taken, so far, 2 years and 2 months... and I still don't even have forests on it! I cannot count the number of backups I've had to restore. And I have no expectation of finishing it any sooner than 4 years total. But, I admit, I am very determined and I have a lot of patience (well, some days, lol). That is a requirement for any computer development work. Cannot expect to pick it up overnight, either... lots to learn, long learning curve, lots of trial and error, lots of failures. But I don't think it's hard to do; it's fun; just time consuming.
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby nickelplate » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Rich Garber's Ohio Steel - Dover is in the midwest.
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby philmoberg » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:42 pm

Toripony wrote:I think we need a midwestern route, too. And the concept of one focused around some interchanges sounds fun. ...

The Nickel Plate's line from Bellevue to Ft. Wayne would be an ideal candidate, in that respect: at least four major railroads in interchange, a nice mix of through and local freight, a couple of branch lines and just enough passenger traffic to make it official. There's 1/9 arc sec NED data for most of it, as well. Similarly, the any part of the Wabash line between St. Louis and Detroit, or the Wabash line out to Kansas City would provide interesting operating prospects, the latter segment including through passenger service with the Union Pacific. Thinking sideways, the IC and the GM&O offer the prospect of cutting across all the major midwest carriers. The TP&W and the EJ&E would also offer some interesting possibilities.
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby LandN » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:46 pm

There is a line being built in the Toledo-Detroit area
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby TDHenderson » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:10 pm

nickelplate wrote:Rich Garber's Ohio Steel - Dover is in the midwest.


Not sure why I forgot that, thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby Chessie8638 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:02 pm

I'll hopefully be starting my route sometime in the winter months when I don't like to go outside (lol). It focuses on Fostoria, OH (set modern day). And will include all the lines that run through it (NS and the two CSX lines [ex. B&O and C&O]).

Also user shicoe30 is working on a route set in Wisconsin and I believe Toripony besides working on her C&O, in her free time is doing the triple track UP from N. Platte eastward. And I believe someone is working on the BNSF racetrack and a route starting at Union Station in Chicago. Lot's of mid-western routes coming. !!*ok*!!
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby zdierkes » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:33 pm

Awesome imput guys! (And gal) !*brav*! Good point on starting a route myself. And the route involving my home town of Fort Wayne would be great! Lots of N&W there too. I've run a Rich Garber route on MSTS before...he's pretty good. I'll check those out. Also ill take the advice and begin messing around with route copies.

BTW, how does that Google Earth track mapping work?
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby Chessie8638 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:36 pm

zdierkes wrote:BTW, how does that Google Earth track mapping work?


You need the program RW_Decal: http://www.rwdecal.co.uk/

Also take a look at imnew's route building tutorial: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3446
File Library Download of the PDF: http://railworksamerica.com/FileLibrary ... teBuilding
It shows how to set everything up and what programs one needs.
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby zdierkes » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:41 pm

I appreciate that info chessie...ill check those out.
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby zdierkes » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:17 pm

nickelplate wrote:Rich Garber's Ohio Steel - Dover is in the midwest.

Where can I find this route?
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Re: Midwestern U.S. Routes

Unread postby TDHenderson » Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:19 pm

zdierkes wrote:Where can I find this route?


Here you go.

http://www.allaboardrails.com/
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