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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Toonces » Sun May 27, 2012 3:01 pm

micaelcorleone wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, that's it. I commit myself to the Powder River Basin.
There are both BNSF and UP operating gigantic c'oal unit trains on a tripple track mainline, hauling coal from the various mines: Coal Trains of the Powder River Basin


I can't argue with your logic, but I am having trouble envisioning scenarios along such a route that would be fun to play. Pulling a long heavy coal train for a few hundred miles with no stops or any other activity sounds kind of dull. That's part of the problem with some of the Donner scenarios - lots of pretty scenery, but the scenarios are kind of dull. Or at least they were until I found out about using EnableAsyncKeys and Control-Shift-5 to speed the thing up.
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby up_8677 » Sun May 27, 2012 4:28 pm

I would love such a route myself; I can see how others would find it boring though.
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby ozinoz » Sun May 27, 2012 5:43 pm

I would be very surprised it it was Powder River. Have made a couple of visits to the Powder River Basin, and while operationally very interesting (and an amazing place to photograph unit coal trains) I cant see RW handing the 3 - 4 track bi-directional running strictly block to block (and on the last visit, they were operating almost nose to tail within the same block). There is limited power available and NO consist other than unit coal - I think this would get old very quickly...

Sherman Hill on the other hand would have some wider appeal - just depends on whether they set it steam or diesel. They could update the Challenger to RW3 standards, maybe provide an 800 class - I for one would be in steam heaven :D There was somebody working on Sherman Hill some years back, but never eventuated...

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Re: New US Route

Unread postby micaelcorleone » Sun May 27, 2012 7:03 pm

Chessie8638 wrote:I think I got it. There's another route in Wyoming, that's more famous then the Powder River Basin.
(...) Sherman Hill!

Heck, I didn't even think of Sherman Hill. *!embar*!
The first thing that came into my mind when thinking about Wyoming and railroading was the Basin.

Toonces wrote:I can't argue with your logic, but I am having trouble envisioning scenarios along such a route that would be fun to play. Pulling a long heavy coal train for a few hundred miles with no stops or any other activity sounds kind of dull.

That is definitely true, but there could also be scenarios with switching operations. There also was a BN loco and car maintenance facility especially for the Basin which means more scenario oportunities.
I do not know if this facility still exists, but if you are interested in BN's operations in the Basin back in the late 80s, I recommend the documentary "This is Coal Country" on Friends of BNSF (best part is when the conductor talks about his job at 14:18).

What I think is more problematic: the tripple track mainline together with the long trains
Imagine a meet of three long coal trains - performance hit ³
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby MattW » Mon May 28, 2012 11:50 am

I'm going to break from the trend here and guess a California route, my first choice is the route of the Altamont Commuter Express, but my second would be a Caltrain route, and my third is Amtrak's Capitol corridor. Any of those would allow an F40 to be quite happy.
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby PapaXpress » Mon May 28, 2012 12:11 pm

MattW wrote:I'm going to break from the trend here and guess a California route, my first choice is the route of the Altamont Commuter Express, but my second would be a Caltrain route, and my third is Amtrak's Capitol corridor. Any of those would allow an F40 to be quite happy.


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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Bananarama » Mon May 28, 2012 1:42 pm

Sorry, the route's NOT in California!

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FWIW, I believe this one represents "...hill of beans". *!!wink!!*
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Bananarama » Mon May 28, 2012 2:09 pm

Toonces wrote:I can't argue with your logic, but I am having trouble envisioning scenarios along such a route that would be fun to play. Pulling a long heavy coal train for a few hundred miles with no stops or any other activity sounds kind of dull. That's part of the problem with some of the Donner scenarios - lots of pretty scenery, but the scenarios are kind of dull. Or at least they were until I found out about using EnableAsyncKeys and Control-Shift-5 to speed the thing up.

You should read up on operations there, as there's more to the hill than trains going from Cheyenne to Laramie (and beyond). For starters, you have switching in both yards (Laramie switches locals, while Cheyenne has some classification duties), and there's one industry between those towns that sees a couple of daily trains. *!!wink!!*

For locals, Cheyenne has Frontier Oil to the east and Dyno Nobel Chemical a few miles to the west. Within the yard you have Nortrak, Orrison Distributors, Capital Lumber, Cook-McCain gravel, Agridyne, Hills Bros Chemical, Musket Corp, Wyoming Liquor Commission, Chief Oil, Puma Steel, plus a handful of BNSF-served industries along the Reed Street corridor and one more UP-served location adjacent to BNSF's Cheyenne track. In Laramie you have Mountain Cement, Big Horn Lumber, Entegra Gas, as well as UP's rail facility. Finally, there's the BNSF interchange and a dozen or so miles west of Cheyenne you have the Martin Merietta gravel quarry, which supplies ballast on much of UP and BNSF mainline in the area (1 or 2 dedicated unit trains daily).

So you see, there's quite a bit more going on than long trains grinding up and down the hill, which BTW number between 40 and 60 in a 24hr period. :D
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Chessie8638 » Mon May 28, 2012 3:18 pm

I think Toonces was referring to a Powder River Basin route. Not a Sherman Hill route. *!!wink!!*
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Csxgp38-2 » Mon May 28, 2012 4:43 pm

"Bound from Omaha to Portland through Cheyenne and Laramie, we'rea headed west for Boise on the mainline to the sea...."
Maybe they're doing it as a tribute to the UP 150 anniversary?
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby ozinoz » Mon May 28, 2012 5:21 pm

I am going to pump for something radical - how about the old Antonito - Santa Fe line - "the Chili Line". Gone by the early 40's I know, but what is not to love about DRG narrow gauge steam :) Failing that, Sherman Hill would be a fantastic "consolation prize", just as long as there is steam, I mean all that needs to happen is some vintage rolling stock and maybe an 800 class in a couple of variants and bring the Big Boy and Challenger to RW3 standards. Easy~peasy :)

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Re: New US Route

Unread postby dcushing » Mon May 28, 2012 6:19 pm

Well, after reading Marc's discreptions of the Cheyenne and Laramie areas, then taking a quick tour on Google Earth, i think I'm going to be upset it it's NOT Sherman Hill. Not much for the Commuter enthusiast but a whole world of freight possibilites.\

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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Rich_S » Mon May 28, 2012 9:26 pm

ozinoz wrote:I am going to pump for something radical - how about the old Antonito - Santa Fe line - "the Chili Line". Gone by the early 40's I know, but what is not to love about DRG narrow gauge steam :) Failing that, Sherman Hill would be a fantastic "consolation prize", just as long as there is steam, I mean all that needs to happen is some vintage rolling stock and maybe an 800 class in a couple of variants and bring the Big Boy and Challenger to RW3 standards. Easy~peasy :)

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I agree, I'd love to see the Rio Grande Chili Line along with the dual gauge between Antonito and Alamosa or the Cumbres Pass line from Antonito to Chama. But I'm also hoping for the C&NW's Cowboy line :D but to be realistic it's probably going to be the Sherman hill line, so all we can hope for now is they will model the route in the Steam to Diesel era and include a few Big Boys !!*ok*!!


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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Bananarama » Mon May 28, 2012 11:41 pm

Chessie8638 wrote:I think Toonces was referring to a Powder River Basin route. Not a Sherman Hill route. *!!wink!!*

Ah, so. My mistake.
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Re: New US Route

Unread postby Toonces » Tue May 29, 2012 8:31 am

Two more hints are up on twitter:
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