NEC TS 2012 Optimized

[styckx]

I can't (morally) suggest to buy it or not buy it. That isn't my place, and would only be one persons opinion and I'm comfortable sticking to the logic of my opinion being meaningless.

I will say though if you buy the route and find it slow and unplayable, you can just delete the lights and have a fully playable version of what is otherwise a incredible and fun route.

The crashes and errors I'm reading about is another thing. I simply haven't experienced that. Granted I haven't driven more than 10 (straight) minutes on the new optimized route yet.

Machinist.

Asset/RSC/NortheastCorridor

[Griphos]

It does not have the same effect on HSC. Tried that right before I went to bed. I don't believe because the lights themselves are any different, just a considerable amount less of them.

We're talking lighting a 1950s mountain route vs a modern day city and suburban route. One needs lights here and there, the other needs lights on every inch through the entire route.

Oh well. Glad to hear you tried it. Your analysis makes sense. I still enjoy the route. Always been a Pennsy fan.

[PapaXpress]

The lighting problem is probably a shadow problem. I remember a couple DX10 games that when they introduced dynamic shadows it kill more than a few fps. Is there a way to turn off all the shadows and test?

[styckx]

I set the few that had shadows enabled to off before deleting and it didn't help.

I did see on Facebook RSC mention a patch (i think NEC specific and not core. Not sure tbh) for this coming soon to help performance.

If you deleted the lights and get a patch, probably best to verify cache instead of restoring your lights back up. Just to avoid possible conflicts.

[PapaXpress]

It just blows my mind. What type of rig are they using to QA this stuff on?

[styckx]

What type of rig are they using to QA this stuff on?

[gtw5812]

No matter what...These folks stated that if you ran RW2, then RW3 would also be comparible. IT IS NOT> Bottom line. I have a lot of money invested in their products, DLC, etc... and it is not playable do to their "automatic updates". They should offer a roll back for people that are unsatisified, and should ask if they want consumers if they wish to recieve that "auto updates". Furthermore, I am getting tired of "Steam" throwing "pop ups" on my screen, of games I am not interested in. It seems that with steam installed, my computer system as a whole runs slower, since it program "forces" certain functions on your personal PC, and is always trying to run in the backround. I would love to run NEC, the way it use to be. I am about 1/2 step away from "blowing" this program out...

Very Highly Upset..

[Toripony]

Bottom line. I have a lot of money invested in their products, DLC, etc... and it is not playable do to their "automatic updates". They should offer a roll back for people that are unsatisified, and should ask if they want consumers if they wish to recieve that "auto updates". Furthermore, I am getting tired of "Steam" throwing "pop ups" on my screen, of games I am not interested in. It seems that with steam installed, my computer system as a whole runs slower, since it program "forces" certain functions on your personal PC, and is always trying to run in the backround.

All of those choices are/were possible through Steam settings and by maintaining backups of your game and system. I get no ads, no updates unless I ask for them, and still have RW2 running fine on my system. Also, Steam can be completely closed by exiting the small icon in your tray (except sometimes I find the latest Steam version running in my Windows Processes list even after all icons are gone from desktop/tray; I kill the process from there). Take a few minutes to explore your options.

[PapaXpress]

Innovation always comes with its own baggage. I do not have a high end system (3+ yrs old) but I can still enjoy the game with TSX on. Is it perfect? No. Will it get better? Yes. Could they have made the transition better? Probably. I am in for the long run.

RSC has been working hard on this and have been coming out with patches every week. They will fix this, and that is not a question in my mind because from what I know of them they are all upstanding people (and I know people in the software biz that will do anything to make an extra $20 off you).

[PapaXpress]

[MontanaRails]

I'm not sure about the NEC (as I dont own it) but in general, there do seem to be performance improvements being made. For example, the new frame rate limiter checkboxes seem to really help things for me at least. The game is so smooth...almost no hiccups or jerkiness in framerate.

I know its been mentioned before, but this progression of a new title, while very frustrating when things dont work right, seems normal.

All the performance issues seem very familiar. If anyone was around and part of the the Microsoft FSX launch, they'll remember how frustrated everyone was with the performance. It too was launched at retail, using only one processor core, and with tons of bugs. I remember the days in 2006 after its initial launch when people were using state of the art computers and just going nuts because the performance was so poor. Microsoft eventually released multiple service packs that added functionality, squashed bugs, and enabled multi core. Performance was much improved, and at a level that would allow technology to mature into the simulator, as was intended when it was launched.

I think this is just the painful part of TS2012, and the best is yet to come once they get the core program 'optimized' so the 'optimized' routes will function as intended. RSC is clearly in it for the right reasons and the long haul. Truthfully, considering the scope of the changes in TS2012 from RW2, I'm impressed. I expected a lot more to go haywire.

As a side note, Steam is a little like HAL9000. I'm waiting to log in one day and hear a greeting... "Hello, my memory banks show a fault in the RW3 module. Would you like me to verify cache?

Yes, Steam, go ahead.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I cant do that. The game is currently unavailable. This conversation serves no further purpose, goodbye."

[styckx]

I agree, I have faith also. I just shoot from the hip and try to base what I say and feel on facts. I've been wrong before and also will admit when I am. My patience with the core performance is just wearing very thin. I actually don't like disliking a huge portion of the product as I want them to succeed and be around 5 years from now dominating the genre. I'd actually love to work for them and contribute to turning frowns upside down. Admittedly also, I think I just like hearing myself talk since if I ever ranted about a train game (to get it off my chest) to a real life friend or family member they'd look at me like a confused dog.

[MontanaRails]

I agree, I have faith also. I just shoot from the hip and try to base what I say and feel on facts. I've been wrong before and also will admit when I am. My patience with the core performance is just wearing very thin. I actually don't like disliking a huge portion of the product as I want them to succeed and be around 5 years from now dominating the genre. I'd actually love to work for them and contribute to turning frowns upside down. Admittedly also, I think I just like hearing myself talk since if I ever ranted about a train game (to get it off my chest) to a real life friend or family member they'd look at me like a confused dog.

Yeah, people dont "get it." Anytime you say 'train' in mixed company, the power, history, skill, engineering marvels, and creosote dont seem to come to mind to others. They simply look at you like you said 'thomas the tank engine.'

[styckx]

Yep. "You like choo choo trains?"

Ok, Acela is out. Anyone buy it? Spit out the details and some shots!

[Toripony]

As a side note, Steam is a little like HAL9000. I'm waiting to log in one day and hear a greeting... "Hello, my memory banks show a fault in the RW3 module. Would you like me to verify cache?

Yes, Steam, go ahead.

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I cant do that. The game is currently unavailable. This conversation serves no further purpose, goodbye."

if I ever ranted about a train game (to get it off my chest) to a real life friend or family member they'd look at me like a confused dog.

I needed that!