Basic signal question(s)

[Cardinal51]

Thanks for all the insight guys. Too bad TSC is not aware of signal speed. But hey, you can't have it all.

I do not do career points (or whatever they are called), but am wondering. When following signal speed, can one still make the strict career time schedules without any penalties ?

[jalsina]

Thanks for all the insight guys. Too bad TSC is not aware of signal speed. But hey, you can't have it all.

Learn how to script with luac.

I do not do career points (or whatever they are called), but am wondering. When following signal speed, can one still make the strict career time schedules without any penalties ?

Career scenarios are forbidden in my home.

[kris120]

I think I need to intervene here.
The signals of the Marias Pass are completely out of date. They only show the aspect of the next signal. Everything further away is ignored. They are therefore at the level of Sherman Hill or Donner Pass.
The HiLine signals are considerably better. These also announce the signal pattern of the next but one signal.
Last year there was an update of the signals of this route, especially concerning the scripts of the signals.
If you didn't get a download last year, you should download the route again.

[jalsina]

I think I need to intervene here.
The signals of the Marias Pass are completely out of date. They only show the aspect of the next signal. Everything further away is ignored. They are therefore at the level of Sherman Hill or Donner Pass.
The HiLine signals are considerably better. These also announce the signal pattern of the next but one signal.
Last year there was an update of the signals of this route, especially concerning the scripts of the signals.
If you didn't get a download last year, you should download the route again.

What do you mean? A Steam or a third party Marias Pass download?

[Cardinal51]

What do you mean? A Steam or a third party Marias Pass download?

I redownload regularly, at least about once a month, twice this week :-) So I should have the most recent Marias Pass.

[Cardinal51]

. . . . The HiLine signals are considerably better. These also announce the signal pattern of the next but one signal.. . . .

You mean the Montana Hi-Line: Shelby - Havre route from Dec 2019 ?

[Cardinal51]

Learn how to script with luac.

That is what I mean. TSC is not aware of signal speed limits. Should not be scripted, should be core, it should know speed limits because it knows the signal status. But hey, you can not have it all.
Seems that the developers had to pick priorities in the past and the signals ended up somewhere at the bottom of the list :-(
Still having fun though :-)

[jalsina]

Learn how to script with luac.

That is what I mean. TSC is not aware of signal speed limits. Should not be scripted, should be core, it should know speed limits because it knows the signal status. But hey, you can not have it all.
Seems that the developers had to pick priorities in the past and the signals ended up somewhere at the bottom of the list :-(
Still having fun though :-)

So far, I don´t have a clue on how to script.
But I believe signals is one of the departments in TSC that are really enhanced. I have not done routes, but I made a huge revamp of signals in the old FRC extensión and I realized signals in TSC are in pretty good shape.

What do you mean? A Steam or a third party Marias Pass download?

I redownload regularly, at least about once a month, twice this week :-) So I should have the most recent Marias Pass.

I thought Steam DLC modifications were included in regular downloads. I particularly get away of downloading when not required and keep at least two backups of Railworks, because these trend to screwed up third party mods.

[kris120]

Yes, "HiLine" in TS is this :
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1055 ... stid=43438
... though in reality it is Whitefish to Pacific Junction, or Conkelley to Pacific Junction (around the years after 2000).

"TSC is not aware of signal speed limits."
This is not true. It depends on the route/scripts of the signals.
BNSF signals simply do not show exactly which will be the speed at the next turnout. The driver has to know the exact speed. You must complain to BNSF about that, not to TSC.
Examples : sidings/passings at Devon (25mph), Dunkirk (25mph) and Lothair (35mph). All signals show the same aspect. But at Inverness Crossover the speed is higher and the aspect of the 2nd signal in advance shows a different aspect (as far as I remeber it is Advanced Approach).
As we all are not professional drivers who (have to) know a route by heart, a look at the F3/F4 menu helps here.

An example of a route with signals showing exact speeds :
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =265923409
Signals are from Sherman Hill (UP) and NJT. They are manipulated to show the right aspect of the Erie Lackawanna.
https://www.railroadsignals.us/rulebook ... /index.htm
Unfortunately a German signal was necessary to show a restricting aspect. Therefor you need to turn off this :
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=21632&hilit=Stopping&start=1155#p271309

[pikehkr]

"TSC is not aware of signal speed limits."
This is not true. It depends on the route/scripts of the signals.

I agree with Kris. The signals themselves (or some signals) can have speeds attached to them based on which way the signal is set. TSC will be aware of that speed and give you an overspeed warning. This signal speed overrides the track speed while you are between the points of the signal. I used to set this for crossovers when I was designing routes or modifying them with new signaling. The track speed may be 80 but if the signal is set to crossover or diverging the signal speed would be set to 30 or some other number. As soon as you hit the signal entry point when set to diverging, the speed limit would change on the HUD and would not revert back until the train completely exited the signal exit point. I don't believe this shows on the HUD as "Next Speed" but I don't remember.

While in edit mode, you can set the properties of the signal to a speed based on which way the signal is set by double clicking on the signal head. It would be up to the route creator to set all signal speeds or track speeds and provide the speeds of special locations. For example, if not designated, the default diverging speed is 30 MPH. The diverging speed at signal A106 (Murry Hill signal) is 15 MPH.

I agree it is up to the engineer to know the correct operating speeds for each signal location/track section based on route and any special notices.

This also allows you to create speed zones using other models such as temporary work zones, reduced speeds due to track condition, etc. I think there may be a signal that only has one point that could be buried that has a signal speed set that is lower than the track speed while in design mode or maybe even using the scenario option? Not sure if signals are available in scenario creation mode or what other assets are available for this.

Anyway, just throwing this out there based on what I remember so take this with a grain of salt as I have not played the game in 10 years.

[Cardinal51]

. . . .
"TSC is not aware of signal speed limits."
This is not true. It depends on the route/scripts of the signals.
BNSF signals simply do not show exactly which will be the speed at the next turnout..........

I am not sure what that means. I did notice the route does not care about this 4mph limit . . .

.........The driver has to know the exact speed. You must complain to BNSF about that, not to TSC......

Hahahaha, I am sure BNSF has no programmer in the TS team :-)

[Cardinal51]

. . . . I agree it is up to the engineer to know the correct operating speeds for each signal location/track section based on route and any special notices. . .

Too bad the game has no information on that and that, at least for most routes, one needs to browse the interwebs to hope to find signalrules that are implemented the in that way by the programmers. Just as I am doing now by using the rules listed at https://signals.jovet.net/rules/

[Chacal]

Anyway, just throwing this out there based on what I remember so take this with a grain of salt as I have not played the game in 10 years.

Hi Tim, I don't know if anyone from RWA have reached you before about this, but we're looking for your signal tutorials that you published more than 10 years ago. They seem to have disappeared from the internets. Do you know where they can be found?

[kris120]

I hope you are aware that these signal boards are only intended for us railway fans:
https://signals.jovet.net/rules/index.html says (in RED !):
"These charts are for entertainment purposes only. They are not authored or endorsed by any of the named railroads, past or present. They are absolutely not for use by railroad employees who are on duty, and are not a substitute for official railroad rules, instructions, timetables, or other applicable publications."

Better to use something official like :

HiL-ETT-2007.pdf

You must know these pages more or less by heart if you are employed as a driver, quite apart from the piles of other rules of which we mere mortals have no idea.

[Cardinal51]

I hope you are aware that these signal boards are only intended for us railway fans. . . . .

Isn't that what we are ? Gaming Railway Fans. So should be good enough :-)

Those charts seem there clearest and best collection around.