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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby GSkid » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:34 pm

Arctic Cat ZRT wrote:If you actually go through and see what people are posting about, it is much more than people praising the locomotive. Much of this talk is about improvements to the locomotive, such as sounds, and the fact that people are trying to repaint the thing. Plus the ES44 is actually a pretty interesting locomotive when read-up on. Yes it may not have unique styling, but under the skin they are quite impress in terms of the technology and developement that went into these beasts! GE has even developed a "hybrid" version of the locomotive. Sounds pretty unique to me! !*cheers*!



Well you are right to an extent. Anything unique internally to the ES44 can't be really expressed in Railworks since RW doesn't seem to take tractive effort or horepower advantages into account between locomotive models. GEVO's sound about the same as they did when they were first introduced. It's only the subtle difference in sound between the 12 and 16 cylinder that you have to work with. So it's all about cosmetics and in that department the ES44 isn't exactly setting the world on fire. It looks about the same as many GE locos of the past 20 years.

To be fair...... the same can be said about EMD's locomotives. Although over the last 20 years they've had a little bigger variety cosmetically. Like spartan/comfort cab, flush radiators/SD45-style flared/SD70ACe extreme-flared, non-radial trucks/radial trucks, etc etc.

But start clicking on the pages of threads to see their page counts and other than talking about routes like Donner Pass or the talk about the impending release of RW 2013 here in the General Discussion section, most never come close to the size of this thread. Now in threads like a Work In Progress section they are big for locomotives. But remember..... this thread started about the fact the ES44 was coming to the Sherman Hill route.... not a repaint/horn thread.

That's the reason I'm stunned that one model, on one route is getting this much attention here. I'm not mad. It was simply an observation and I'm simply amazed and puzzled. !*don-know!*
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby buzz456 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:08 pm

"That's the reason I'm stunned that one model, on one route is getting this much attention here. I'm not mad. It was simply an observation and I'm simply amazed and puzzled. "

That's because you are from California. !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*!
!*cheers*!
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby GSkid » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:35 pm

buzz456 wrote:"That's the reason I'm stunned that one model, on one route is getting this much attention here. I'm not mad. It was simply an observation and I'm simply amazed and puzzled. "

That's because you are from California. !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*! !*roll-laugh*!
!*cheers*!

Don't laugh too hard. Your state's finances are almost as bad as ours. (Whispers) Psssft....... we have more and better railfan hotspots then the boring flatlands of Illinois. *!!wink!!* As my sig says....Donner Pass/Tehachapi Loop/Cajon Pass/Coastal Route... also Cuesta grade/Beaumont hill/Altamont pass/Feather River route just to name a few more. Those in glass houses.... !*roll-laugh*!

I'll give you Rochelle as your best spot (aside from the Chicago yards). Lived in Milwaukee and never did get down to Rochelle. Always planned to, but something always came up and never got there. I also wanted to get to the Illinois Railway Museum as well. If you haven't been to California before, at least come here once before you die to enjoy our railfan hotspots. Your F.I.B. drivers should feel right at home in LA traffic! They are almost as rude of drivers as you guys! The Illinois turn signal..(simply twists head around with no signal and moves into the next lane) *!greengrin!*
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby buzz456 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:17 am

I suppose I deserved that. *!greengrin!*
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby hermit1953 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:51 am

Oh boy, now we're really getting this thread rolling bringing the state with the Golden Hills (to me they always looked plain, simple brown) into the equation...
No bad words about CA, please. True, it's the craziest state of the continental US (although FL is catching up fast !*roll-laugh*! ). I lived there for 3 years back in the late 70's when stationed at Palmdale (yep, that only company that seems to be able to fend off the Boeing greed, funny that the ones that can't get enough are all based in Washington state, must be something in the air...) and loved every minute of it! I had a ball !*cheers*! I've been to the Loop, know Mojave inside out (well, it may have changed slightly), got hooked on US RR, so I Railwork the Cajon Pass a lot and cannot wait for that BNSF Mojave sub to become available. Actually I started on building that route myself but others are ahead of me, so now I work on updating the Cajon with new textures and all and am playing with the idea of extending it from SB down to Long Beach !*drool*!

17 pages of ES44 and counting?! Well, didn't RSC dangle the RW4/SH carrot in front of us all starting with that loco? Seems a logical (G)EVOlution to me that the thread gets this long. Purely personal, but I prefer the looks of the ES44 and Dash-9 over the earlier locos (thanks to the Canadians that it insisted on the wide-cab design **!!bow!!** ) To me it looks more business like, that huge nose just is awesomely bully and conveys the idea of sheer power. Others may have a different opinion and they are more than welcome, so no rant please. For me RW is late steam ('cause of having crawled all over the Big Boy at the Smithsonian, WDC and the NRRM in Green Bay, WI, and boy, is that a PIECE of engineering) or starting '90s with the Dash9...
Obviously, the fact that this new skinning issue hit us between the eyes, the new performance issues (or non-issues), inevitable rivet-counting, possible work-arounds all add to the tally.
I still enjoy this thread!

And BTW, I'm getting darn close to finishing that BNSF repaint! I got the scheme all figured out, experiments with the logos are very promising, I'm happy so far with the looks of tests in RW4... If the money making part of my life and honey-dos allow me the time, it'll be another 3 weeks. Alas I have less time, since I got kicked up the promotion ladder and have increased responsibilities and more duties to perform (bank account and wife ain't complaining though !*YAAA*!)
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby buzz456 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:17 am

Looking forward to seeing that. No more bashing of CA. tempting as it is.
!!**sorry**!!
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby GSkid » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:28 pm

buzz456 wrote:Looking forward to seeing that. No more bashing of CA. tempting as it is.
!!**sorry**!!
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Your apology is accepted. *!!wink!!*

I wasn't that bent out of shape about it.... which was why I didn't go too hard on you and was humorous in my response. To be fair... you live out in the sticks (which tends to lean conservative) and not the Chicago area (which is heavily liberal). And since Chicago pretty much decides the state government there, it's no wonder you guys are in debt and your credit rating has been downgraded. Liberals have also been in charge here in California for a better part of the the last 25 years and we are up to our eyes in debt. So we'll call that one a draw. I'm conservative if you can't tell...LOL!

Chicago has the most railroad traffic of any city in the United States, so you have those bragging rights. That was because back when railroading started, it was a large city that was the center of commodities trading and the huge cattle yards. Plus it was the center of the United States population base back then (not the center geographically), so it was the railroad hub.

As for the ES44... it was packed in with RW 2012 so that other than the new complication of painting them, nothing has really changed. That's why I was scratching my head over a thread about such a common locomotive that has been with this sim since EA's Rail Simulator. I'm a hardcore EMD fanboy and I'm not ashamed of it as you can see in my sig. But unlike some of the EMD fans that belong to the "GE's are junk" contingent, I still like GE's cuz I'm a railfan FIRST.

It's amazing how similar EMD's and GE's look for the front half while the back half looks so different. For the front half, the comfort cab had it's roots with EMD's cowl units... which then evolved into the DDA40X's wide cab and then into the Canadian comfort cab that is the basis of today's locomotives. While the stepped roof-line between the cab and the engine where the electronics are held started with GE's Dash-8 series.

I'm a huge fan of the EMD's 2-stroke engine, while I'm lukewarm to GE's 4-stroke. 2-strokes load up way faster and have a better power curve. They also sound WAY better IMHO with the sound of the turbo wind up, the "drum roll" and screaming banshee sound they make at run-8. I also like the low resonating note that shakes buildings and your chest cavity. 4-strokes sound like a chugging unbalanced washing machine.

Over the years... to me... GE's actually sound a little better then their U-boat ancestors of the 1960's-1970's. They sounded basically the same then except they had more of a rattle sound to them like someone threw a bag of marbles into the engines. And EMD's actually don't sound quite as good as the sound of the 645 in the SD40-2 and earlier model 710's. They sound a little more muffled now and they seem to have this slight Caterpillar engine-like growl to them at low RPMs where as the older engines didn't and sounded smoother. And this happened BEFORE Caterpillar bought them out. You hear it especially on the SD-70ACe locomotives. I still love it, but not quite as much as the engines of the past. I just hope Caterpillar never gets rid of the 2-stroke or I will be heartbroken.

But like I said before... if you can get to California to railfan then do it. Our state can lay claim to the most environments in one state to watch trains. We have deserts, swamps, flat farmlands, steep mountains with tall trees, wonderful ocean coastlines, fresh water lakes, a saltwater inland sea, and both suburban and gritty urban city areas. We pretty much have it all. You can ski in the snow of the mountains in the morning and drive a couple hours to layout on a sunny beach with an average year long temperature in the 70's. It's no wonder we are the most populous state in the country and a population bigger then ALL of Canada. !!*ok*!!
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby hermit9153 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:19 am

And the repaint saga gets more interesting by the minute. The nut gets bigger and harder to crack the deeper you dig !*!grrr!*!
Those (/!%£"E?=P!^") separate handles !!spank!! There's one round and one big one to paint. OK if they are all the same color, but if not: ISSUE!!!!!!!
Again a case for child decals...
If ever RSC would come up with the idea to put out other repaints, they'll HAVE to go back into the shapefiles (so much for time saving)!
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby lankshire » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:45 am

I think you are right, when running the new ES44 solo and not too fast one hears a distinctive ta-ta-tam tam-ta-tam indicating the cadence of two trucks with three evenly spaced axles going over a joint.
In the start get confused but latter I think there could be some reason regarding copyright issues.
I am not sure but I think this could be case here.
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Re: New ES44!!

Unread postby BNSF650 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:11 pm

Sure wish this could get done. !!*ok*!!
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