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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby arizonachris » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:45 pm

Mike, have you run CCleaner? http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Use the cleaning tool, then the registry tool. As was said b4 tho, do a backup of the registry first.

On my system, takes 2 minutes max for RW to load, and I have an awful lot of RW "stuff" An SSD could be a nice upgrade, but expensive.

Oh, in the meantime, I'll go and make a cup of soup and a cup of chicken boullion. RW is loaded by then. !*salute*!

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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby august1929 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:25 am

I have a pretty old and low end rig - ex office computer with a 2 gig processor, reasonable for a year or so ago graphics card (Radeon HD3850 512mb 8x AGP) 2 gig of Ram running on Windows XP.

RW used to be on one of my two internal HDs. Load times were poor, 5 to 10 minutes to get in sometimes, even though I kept the HD defragged and all rubbish cleared. Had to load RW onto an external HD (Western Digital 500 gig running through a USB2 connection) at the Steampipe update as it wouldn't convert on the internal HD (insufficient space).

I thought I would get it updated, clear the internal HD and transfer back from the external HD. Thankfully, I had the sense to make certain RW worked on the external HD before I transferred it back - the load time was extraordinary for my rig - less than two minutes, and only took about 2 minutes to get into a scenario on WCML. This had never been possible on my rig before. In addition, whereas before I had to run without shadows, middle distance etc. RW automatically set itself up to run everything at max, and it ran well with no stutter or lag.

Fast forward a few weeks, and I have loaded all my routes, duplicated mini installations for Europe, US, UK etc. plus other bits and the HD is down to only around 100 gig of free space (because of the duplication) - loads times are going up and up, back to 5 minutes plus into a route and nearly 5 into RW. Looking at the HD, all of the spare space is allocated to the Master File Table (though possibly not used for that yet). Either way, spare space is limited. Defragged the files (you can't defrag MFT) but no appreciable change. Deleted a couple of the pointless mini installations, regaining about 100 gig of space, and hey presto, back to quick load times again.

Thinking on it, is it possible that the compression (or reduction as would have been) of the MFT space could be what is causing the problem. Looking at Microsofts own documentation - "If the unreserved space (i.e. not reserved for MFT) becomes full, space for user files and directories starts to be allocated from the MFT zone competing with the MFT for allocation. If the MFT zone becomes full, space for new MFT entries is allocated from the remainder of the disk, again competing with other files." Reading through, this seems to cause a slow down in file access.

Just a thought - I ain't no techie - but the evidence of my own experience is there and remains - keeping the "file" space as free as possible, plenty of spare without eating into the MFT space, seems to be keeping my fast loading times - even with a low end rig. All this on an external HD through USB2......

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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby 1225fan5358 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:13 am

Go make some toast. !*roll-laugh*!
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby RAILSOHIO » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:19 am

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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby BNSFdude » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:01 am

5292nate wrote:Mine takes between 5 and 10 minutes to load. I'll browse YouTube, check my mail, and check RWA while I'm waiting. Or I'll pace back and forth, or make myself a glass of lemonade. When I make the lemonade, I grow the lemons from seed when I start loading RW. By the time I'm done, there is a decent sized tree putting forth a good number of lemons! !*cheers*!

I don't want your dam lemons. I'm going to take these lemons, have my scientists modify them so I can BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby 1225fan5358 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:41 pm

BNSFdude wrote:
5292nate wrote:Mine takes between 5 and 10 minutes to load. I'll browse YouTube, check my mail, and check RWA while I'm waiting. Or I'll pace back and forth, or make myself a glass of lemonade. When I make the lemonade, I grow the lemons from seed when I start loading RW. By the time I'm done, there is a decent sized tree putting forth a good number of lemons! !*cheers*!

I don't want your dam lemons. I'm going to take these lemons, have my scientists modify them so I can BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN.

Who tinkled in YOUR Raisin Bran? !*roll-laugh*!
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby Chacal » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:41 pm

Just a heads up, we're gonna have a super conductor turned up full blast and pointed at you for the duration of this next test. I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the walls here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby BNSFdude » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:20 pm

Chacal gets it. *!lol!*
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby peterhayes » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:56 pm

I don't do anything, RW loads in 0.21 milliseconds and each scenario in 0.01 nanseconds.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby buzz456 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:01 pm

peterhayes wrote:I don't do anything, RW loads in 0.21 milliseconds and each scenario in 0.01 nanseconds.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby peterhayes » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:37 pm

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It is well documented that any conventional HDD's performance will start to suffer when it is around 60% full even when defragged regularly. At 80% performance is well down and is it gets fuller all sorts of errors and anomalies may occur including a quite significant performance drop. You can't usually go beyond 90% as Windows needs that sort of space to make file transfers, updates necessary amendments etc. SSD's are not as constrained but shouldn't be filled much above 90% give or take.

I thought that Contig from systinternals could defrag the MFT http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysi ... 97428.aspx and most commercial defrag software can carry out a boot time defrag which also defrags the paging file.

I have run succesfully TS2013 on a USB 3.0 HDD eSata with no loading issues and on USB 2.0 using a 2TB 7200 rpm partioned to to 300GB (rest of drive remains empty) just for TS 2012 and that had good loading times too.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby OldProf » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:11 am

I study my grammar book & learn, for instance, the difference between "your" (2nd person possessive pronoun, as in "your error") and "you're" (verb: contraction of "you are", as in "when you are waiting") or, for that matter, between "when" (specific time indication, as in "when I try to load RW, an SBHH sometimes occurs") and "while" (indication of time passing, as in "while I was editing a scenario yesterday, an SBHH occurred").


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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby Chacal » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:51 am

Sarcasm is widely discredited as a teaching tool for grammar.
I suggest you bring this up in teaching-related forums.
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Re: What do you do when your waiting for RW to load up?

Unread postby PapaXpress » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:50 am

meh, the title of this topic made my eyes cross as well.

As for sarcasm... I find that people tend to listen to me more when I use it, than when I don't. Its sad.
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