Peer Pressure from Trainz Community?

[ex-railwayman]

Well, most of you guys know that I use Facebook a whole lot and reading general posts, I came across this one from Jointed Rail. This is what he has said
"Any of you Railworks/Train Simulator (insert name of the week here) guys care to comment on the recent happenings with the 3rd party content creators? Seems to me they have essentially ran off any 3rd party development... Now you have to rely on the RS dev team to create all of your content? I truly feel sorry for your community, as they obviously don't pay a ton of attention to detail. Either way I'll be more than happy to offer any of you Railworks guys TRAINZ at a special price just for converting. Let me know if you're interested!!"
I say this is peer pressure from the Trainz community. There is a huge discussion/comments on this post but I will not mention them. Is it really getting this bad? I mean, that RSC is driving away our 3rd party developers? Just wanted to put this out there. Peer pressure I say.
-Clayton

Nah, this is only Justin trying to drum up trade for Jointed Rail, that's all, there's no such thing as peer pressure, folks just haven't got the discipline to ignore others who keep bashing on about that you've got to have something when you certainly don't, half of it's marketing and advertising for products, and this stupid phenomena that you've got to keep up with the neighbours 'cos they have a new car, for example, people just accept what they're told, dig yer heels in and ignore them, he completely forgets that many of us were Trainzers x number of years ago, and have left to come over here, why would some of us want to go back again is anyone's guess, but, their personal obligation, of course.
I think Justin has only seen half the stories abut 3rd party developers and is being a bit mischievous, I purchased lots of Jointed Rail content for Trainz, which was fabulously done, and of course his GP38-2 for Rail Simulator was one of the best freeware locomotives this game has ever seen, it's a pity that he has to subject us to his derogatory remarks, because he couldn't be bothered to carry on creating content for Railworks, for whatever reasons, half of 'em don't want to learn something new and don't want to acquire the tools to build content within our game, which is probably the reason as to why others have not joined the RW creative bandwagon, there are a few other Payware developers for Trainz who churn out highly detailed stuff, they probably don't think they'll make enough money out of this community, which I think is another major reason they possibly haven't bothered to come aboard Railworks, half of it's to do with greed, not doing anything for this hobby because they love it.

Don't be fooled about this Peer pressure malarkey, it's all in the mind, and half the time they just want you to open your purse/wallet.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

[buzz456]

Well said.

[Boldri]

...for me this is only stupid "buy it, it's cheap" pressure and it's silly and a bit arrogant one. even if I'm 3dr party creator I never post something like this or even an advert for "my game" on the "anothersim"'s website. It's not fair play to me. This is for general train simming site for all, not for site dedicated for one of them.
note: I spend many years in Trainz series and I don't plan to return in, even if Jointed rails give me ALL of their production for FREE. For me it's old game engine with old problems, and few high detailed content can't change it.

Howgh

[GSkid]

Well I own Train Simulator 2013, Trainz 12 and Run 8. I have MSTS packed away somewhere and not installed on any of my current computers. Train Master 4.3 will be my next purchase at some point in the future. My hands are full with what I have. I like having more then one sim. They all have their pluses and minuses.

TS 2013: I like it's level of graphics and HUD. It's overall interface and editor are the best out there. My problems are with it's physics and bugs. I can have a monster train on a 3% grade and it never feels like it. I don't truly feel the weight of the train. Don't have my SD70ACe DLC functional yet either. Otherwise I like it a lot.

Trainz 12: Haven't used it a lot, but I don't like the chugging-ness of the graphics engine...especially in trackside camera mode. Plus the pop-in is bad and even more so if you sweep the outside camera around. The cab interiors look a bit flat. The fan in the cab looks like a cardboard cutout. I've only run the Mojave sub route, but the objects along the way were decent enough. Not to TS2013's level, but they did the job. I was surprised to find out that the train FEELS a bit heavy going up a grade compared to TS2013 as well. Was not expecting that at all. Trains look model-ish as some have pointed out.

Run 8: Great physics and DPU control. Trains REALLY FEEL HEAVY when going up the grade. As it's supposed to be. More so then Trainz and WAY more then TS2013. My main problems with it is it's lack of much to do in single player with no train meets either. No HUD controls and only one route. No editor yet. It's graphics look windows 98/2000-era, but they get the job done. Graphics aren't why you play this sim. It's sparse on the scenery, but they say they will add to it later. Haven't tried multiplayer cuz I'm not proficient enough to play it without risking the anger of the others with my noob-ness.


You know... when I think of the fights over which sim is best, it reminds me of the movie "West Side Story" with the Sharks Vs. the Jets.

Just think of the Jets song....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exGJsv6ZNlo

!
Sing it .... When you're a Trainz-head, you're a Trainz-head all the way...from your first cigarette to your last dyin' day!

Sim-warz is serious business.

[hminky]

The worst part about Railworks it never feels like a train. It feels like an "arcade" simulation.

Even in DCC mode Trainz has a better feel.

Doubt that RSC will ever fix Railworks.

Harold

[Derek]

It's all relative.

I say folks should enjoy what they enjoy, be who they like to be with and let those who are happy be happy.


'Sleigh bells ring, are you listening,
In the lane, snow is glistening
A beautiful sight,
We're happy tonight.
Walking in a winter wonderland.'

Where did I put my bottle of Verve? It's Christmas Party time!
:)

d

[hminky]

It's all relative.

No, it isn't relative.

Railworks does NOT feel like a train.

Railworks drives like a model train there is no sense of power and weight.

I guess it will always be a train "game".

Harold

[Derek]

All together 'Ooooooh yes it is...'
(panto season here in UK :) )

It's relative because not everyone thinks like you and everyone has their own opinion which is just as valid as mine or yours or the next persons.

regards

Derek

[hminky]

All together 'Ooooooh yes it is...'
(panto season here in UK :) )

It's relative because not everyone thinks like you and everyone has their own opinion which is just as valid as mine or yours or the next persons.

regards

Derek

Sorry, we were commenting on train performance and train performance isn't relative. It is concrete.

A game either has it or it doesn't.

Ya, gotta follow the thread.

Harold

[artimrj]

All together 'Ooooooh yes it is...'
(panto season here in UK :) )

It's relative because not everyone thinks like you and everyone has their own opinion which is just as valid as mine or yours or the next persons.

regards

Derek

That is right Derek and most of us here agree 100% with you. But that makes us all Fanbois. It is now my midle name, Bob Fanboi Artim.

[Derek]

I hear what you are saying Harold, but when you use words like 'feel' then that is relative.
If we 'fix' it to 'feel' one way to one person the next person may 'feel' we broke it.

However, having said RWs/TS2013 is always evolving, updating and improving just like the last 5 or 6 years and issues folks want address will get worked on and changed and tweaked so one day everyone everywhere may be happy.

Ok, off now to be merry at the Christmas party, play and do what you enjoy but not at the expense of others.

regards
d

[SCLALINE]

I'll chime in here again, I'm definitely a railworks fan through and through, the company is definitely updating a lot more than the others, and everybody has different wants and needs but progress is definitely be made.
People by general nature are impatient but we have to look at the big picture the new SD45 definitely raises the bar on how the Sim works and in time the other issues will be fixed.
I don't believe for a second that this is a toy, the graphics are way much better than any other one out there and the performance is definitely better.
My biggest issue is with the scenarios and being able to make passing loops work, but for another person this may not be an issue for them.
I for one am thankful that Derek comes out and at least responds to us and I hope he has a good holiday party

[Railfan587]

I'm a Trainz and a Railworks user. Railworks is a whole lot more realistic than Trainz. Trainz has hundreds of locomotives to choose from and a "download station" that you can download new content for it made by other Trainz users. But, Trainz really needs some help in realistic simulation of the locomotives. If you are a person who likes a more realistic railroading experience then buy Railworks. If you are a person who likes to make trains do impossible things then buy Trainz.

[glenn68]

Here is my 2 cents;
I like railworks.....And thats it. end of story.
Its a game and that is what it boils down for me. I have a great time just getting away from the crap that life deals out and railworks is what takes me away.

Glenn

[BNSFdude]

It's all relative.

No, it isn't relative.

Railworks does NOT feel like a train.

Railworks drives like a model train there is no sense of power and weight.

I guess it will always be a train "game".

Harold

Have you ever operated a real train? And I mean... ever??? I have, and aside from some locomotives having knee jerk acceleration, it's pretty realistic on the ones that don't. For the SD45s, mannu captured the real feel deal for one. I helmed GN 400 with the GNRHS and MTM for research purposes, and overall, everything is as "Real As It Gets" without feeling the real control stand in your grips or the deafening woosh of the brakes when you bail off.