Norfolk Southern (Monongahela) coal lines

[Bananarama]

So what if the route is or isn't a duplicate? FWIW, there's usually a big visual, operational and quality difference between cobbling together assets from several sources, than to create a route that are generally route specific. I believe there's room for both. There is no free speech, and Dovetail was in their right to remove your post, especially on their own website!

Besides - who (in their right mind) would buy all DLC? If they did, then they're either a) easily bored and broke; or b) easily bored or have money to burn. The "buy all DLC" debate has been beaten to death, and IMHO, is the lamest argument launched against DLC and Dovetail.

Sheesh - some people's children.

[Griphos]

So, let me get this straight...you went on the official blog site of the company producing a new route you haven't seen yet except in pre-release screenshots (which, by the way, make it look to me to be one of the best routes to be released by this company), a route with exceptionally interesting operating possibilities, and suggested people instead cobble together a freeware route that is so buggy to install, let alone run, that I gave up in exasperation long before I had a chance to run it, arguing that it's the same route, and then you are genuinely surprised that they would be unhappy about that! Is that about it?

I hear Chevy is making some very good new cars. Perhaps you could find an official Chevrolet site somewhere and suggest people borrow a Yugo from your crazy cousin instead, since they are practically the same thing (I mean, they both have four wheels and an engine!!!).

Sure this sim's DLC is expensive. I've paid way too much money on it. But I will buy this route when it is released because it looks to be quite enjoyable to me.

[ElphabaWS]

sabreman61: Your posts were removed from the Engine Driver article I wrote about the NS Coal District for two reasons: (1) They were entirely inaccurate about the new route being a duplicate of existing freeware; and (2) you posted the same claim no less than 15 times - 15 times! - in the article's comments section.

[fecrails]

** I added it up at one point. I think it cam up to 8 to 10 thousand dollars to own every DLC for this game. REALLY? !

Really?

Actually $1720.14 if you buy all of the DLC right now during the Steam Summer Sale!
Personally I can't even imagine being able to use all of the DLC and free Workshop scenarios with the amount of time I have to spend with this hobby.
Reality check: to compare the price of all of this DLC to another common form of entertainment, two movie tickets, popcorn, and a couple of soft drinks each weekend, the price is about the same on an annual basis. Hour for hour the DLC is a much better value if you enjoy this form of entertainment. Whatever floats your boat!

[sabreman61]

@Mathew. Who are you to say what something should or shouldn't cost? You have the free will to not purchase anything if you think it costs too much. If you don't like what they charge then don't buy it. Problem solved.

If you bother to read all of this thread I think you will find out that the Monongahela ran from Brownsville south so it is not the same route.

Yes I know that. I said in my post where the PLE line started and ended. I know the new Payware route runs south into W Virginia it seems like people are wating for routes to be created by Dovetail Games when there are a lot of similer routes out there as Freeware. I never said it was the same route. Just in the same Area as the new one. I have a right to state my opinion about how much stuff costs. If I want something I'm gonna buy it but I can still b!tc$ about how much it costs. It seems you and I like to use our creativity alot for this game and donate our work to people. I see you repaint and make loco's and I am creating a real route and make horns. ALL FREEWARE we do. I just believe they should add more to the DLC's for the price we are paying or have a SUMMER SALE all year long. Not to long from not Trainz A NEW ERA is going to be released. I have seen alot on the game ( I am a loyal TS2014 player) Trainz A new era looks great, There DLC's are way cheaper and you get more in them. TS 2014 is about to have some serious competition. Just my That is all it is my opinion.

Matthew

[sabreman61]

*!rolleyes!* i must be one of those people who shouldnt spend my own hard earned money on what i so choose to...
Shame because i plan on buying this, and every other American or Canadian route that comes out... because thats what I like!

and seriously were you just trying to jack up the points total like that other toolbag who is now banned from Engine driver? nothing is more annoying than weeding through that garbage to see what other intelligent people have posted... if no one replied to you the first time- tho if you ask me the points thing is a joke and serves no real purpose..

I could care less about points. If i did I would post all over that site! I plan on getting the route too. Just like you I get all American and Canadian Routes and Assets too.I'm just saying it's just as much for 1 route than it is for the game itself. Does that make any sense to you. I could see 5 or 10 bucks for routes and 1 or 2 bucks for a Locomotive. Im just saying .

[sabreman61]

sabreman61: Your posts were removed from the Engine Driver article I wrote about the NS Coal District for two reasons: (1) They were entirely inaccurate about the new route being a duplicate of existing freeware; and (2) you posted the same claim no less than 15 times - 15 times! - in the article's comments section.

I just replied to peoples comments on that page. I know when someone posts on something of mine I get a email letting me know I got a response. I didn't think all those comments would be looked at anytime soon so I just let individual people know there is a Norfolk Southern Coal route already available as freeware. If other people bother to read what I wrote, I specifically said It started in Brownsville and Connellsville and ran north to Pittsburgh and included Conway Yard. Now if that was misleading then I Apologize. Really I am sorry. I will be alot more specific when I post on a route on Engingdriver.com if there is another situation like this one.

[sabreman61]

So what if the route is or isn't a duplicate? FWIW, there's usually a big visual, operational and quality difference between cobbling together assets from several sources, than to create a route that are generally route specific. I believe there's room for both. There is no free speech, and Dovetail was in their right to remove your post, especially on their own website!

Besides - who (in their right mind) would buy all DLC? If they did, then they're either a) easily bored and broke; or b) easily bored or have money to burn. The "buy all DLC" debate has been beaten to death, and IMHO, is the lamest argument launched against DLC and Dovetail.

Sheesh - some people's children.

The payware route is not the same. The NS Coal line I guess starts in Brownsville and runs south. The PLE Route Starts in Brownsville and Connellsville (On the other side) and runs north to Pittsburgh. It also includes Conway Yard!! The second largest next to Bailey Yard!

[sabreman61]

So, let me get this straight...you went on the official blog site of the company producing a new route you haven't seen yet except in pre-release screenshots (which, by the way, make it look to me to be one of the best routes to be released by this company), a route with exceptionally interesting operating possibilities, and suggested people instead cobble together a freeware route that is so buggy to install, let alone run, that I gave up in exasperation long before I had a chance to run it, arguing that it's the same route, and then you are genuinely surprised that they would be unhappy about that! Is that about it?

I hear Chevy is making some very good new cars. Perhaps you could find an official Chevrolet site somewhere and suggest people borrow a Yugo from your crazy cousin instead, since they are practically the same thing (I mean, they both have four wheels and an engine!!!).

Sure this sim's DLC is expensive. I've paid way too much money on it. But I will buy this route when it is released because it looks to be quite enjoyable to me.

the freeware routes have no bugs in them. You just need a good gaming PC. Look at a few posts back and read Buzz's post on how this route works.

[conrail1]

no offence but tell that to the site i got CSXT mainline. it corrupted my game and had to reinstall... on the worlds worst wifi

[Griphos]

Matthew, I don't know how long you've been doing this sim, but I've been doing it quite a while, long enough to know you simply can't make a blanket statement like "The freeware routes have no bugs"!! I've tried pretty much every route for this sim made, for all the various countries for which routes are offered. Just limiting the discussion to freeware routes for the US, however, I can tell you that plenty of them have bugs, even when they were new and we were still running the version of TS they were written for.

My gaming computer is not bleeding edge, but it's plenty powerful enough for any TS route. It has to be since I use it to run FSX, which is notorious for being a hardware hog. It's not an issue of hardware at any rate.

I don't know how old you are, and I don't mean to get personal, and I appreciate your enthusiasm for the sim. You might do better, however, to listen and learn a bit more and talk a bit less, particularly in the kind of absolute terms you seem to tend to use.

[dcushing]

*!rolleyes!* i must be one of those people who shouldnt spend my own hard earned money on what i so choose to...
Shame because i plan on buying this, and every other American or Canadian route that comes out... because thats what I like!

and seriously were you just trying to jack up the points total like that other toolbag who is now banned from Engine driver? nothing is more annoying than weeding through that garbage to see what other intelligent people have posted... if no one replied to you the first time- tho if you ask me the points thing is a joke and serves no real purpose..

I could care less about points. If i did I would post all over that site! I plan on getting the route too. Just like you I get all American and Canadian Routes and Assets too.I'm just saying it's just as much for 1 route than it is for the game itself. Does that make any sense to you. I could see 5 or 10 bucks for routes and 1 or 2 bucks for a Locomotive. Im just saying .

5 or 10 bucks for routes and 1 0r 2 for locomotives!!! Best you stay far, far away from any form of real scale model railroading.

Duncan

[sabreman61]

!*hp*! fsx Man the HOURS i spent getting it to run just right only to add the payware stuff and have it chug again... ill stick with my freeware on that one!
(And IMO we are getting a KILLER deal with the price on our DLC for Railworks).

And seriously I have HO scale engines that still cost more than what I spent on this game so far :lol:

I have a 1977 Lional full Triple Track Set. Trust me I know how much the toys costs. I have over 3 grand into this set. My grandmother bought it for my 3rd Christmas.
I have the house with the light guy that comes out. I also have 5 of these http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... MwodGHQAdw plus not to mention the rolling stock I have. Its the first year set you can put a drop of oil in the stack for realistic steam.

[ErikGorbiHamilton]

the freeware routes have no bugs in them. You just need a good gaming PC. Look at a few posts back and read Buzz's post on how this route works.

Even Payware *Cough* Seattle Sub *Cough* Has bugs. In fact, It shouldn't be Payware. The track plan is dead on but there are some BIG Mistakes as far as scenery and track names. Although Freeware and Payware have bugs its fun to find them and tell people about them.

~E: Also the last thing i want is for this thread to get "Flamed" Or "Flamer War". Lets just enjoy the route and pictures.

[sabreman61]

Matthew, I don't know how long you've been doing this sim, but I've been doing it quite a while, long enough to know you simply can't make a blanket statement like "The freeware routes have no bugs"!! I've tried pretty much every route for this sim made, for all the various countries for which routes are offered. Just limiting the discussion to freeware routes for the US, however, I can tell you that plenty of them have bugs, even when they were new and we were still running the version of TS they were written for.

My gaming computer is not bleeding edge, but it's plenty powerful enough for any TS route. It has to be since I use it to run FSX, which is notorious for being a hardware hog. It's not an issue of hardware at any rate.

I don't know how old you are, and I don't mean to get personal, and I appreciate your enthusiasm for the sim. You might do better, however, to listen and learn a bit more and talk a bit less, particularly in the kind of absolute terms you seem to tend to use.

I am just loosing my rookie status on this game. Playing about 2 years and building and modding about 1. I am 40 Years old You do have a point and I am a good listener. I will take your advice. I just saw buzz's post and yea I can see how freeware can screw things up because you are combining assets and other stuff from all the other routes you have and putting it all into a free one. Yes Freeware routes take alot longer to load because its pulling all that info out of several of your TS Asset folders and loading it to the freeware one. (I am an IT guy. Ive been doing it 15 years.)