NJ Transit MultiLevels

[ErikGorbiHamilton]

But didn't Matt confirm that this DLC was going to be available to both owners of the ALP46 and the NJCL?

[buzz456]

But didn't Matt confirm that this DLC was going to be available to both owners of the ALP46 and the NJCL?

Source?

[FanRailer]

But didn't Matt confirm that this DLC was going to be available to both owners of the ALP46 and the NJCL?

Source?

It was via his twitch stream.

But hey look, I was right lol.

[rarecommonsense]

But didn't Matt confirm that this DLC was going to be available to both owners of the ALP46 and the NJCL?

No point in asking. People need to learn to do a bit a research, or pay attention to what is said.

[rarecommonsense]

My lord.. These Cars were so worth the wait!!!!

[FanRailer]

My lord.. These Cars were so worth the wait!!!!

Wait until you hear my sound mod People who didn't pick up the ALP-46 are going to be scrambling

[rarecommonsense]

My lord.. These Cars were so worth the wait!!!!

Wait until you hear my sound mod People who didn't pick up the ALP-46 are going to be scrambling

[FanRailer]

Speaking of which...



More info and download here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=16095

EDIT: Redownload this again for the "wheelslip during braking" hotfix.

[ZekTheKid]

Oh krap. I'll just have to wait for the bunny-hop(per) sale to pick this up....

[minerman146]

I would like to chime in and make a withdrawal from my "good-will" account here on RWA by complaining. Frankly, I could give a fig what Matt said. Lets go to the official corporate web page. This is where Dovetail communicates with their customers. This is you and me - the customer. I am putting this up so that when we have our little discussion we can discuss what Dovetail Games said they were going to do and not argue over hearsay about what Matt said.

Bi-Level Screen Cap.jpg

No big deal - I can buy the ALP46 and so can you and get the bi-level. Not the point. Read above. What is stated here is a promise, a commitment and offer for those that already had supported the good work of Dovetail buy purchasing this fine DLC. That promise has been withdrawn without explanation or justification. Dovetail has just made a huge public relations blunder and alienated all those that don't have the ALP46, who have now found out the previously ''free" Muli-level cars are now only "free" with a simple $19.95 payment for an ALP46. This action is so amateur it's almost a heartbreaker for me. Now If some one wants to step up and say "Minerman, cool off, DTG is gonna make this right for you" I am all ears.

If not they get this- ( I quote my self from Steam) And one more thing, I would rather be building Hoboken instead of typing this tirade.

I don't usually throw down the gauntlet, but I will say this. At the moment, I am viewing an aerial image of Hoboken as I work the Bergen. I see ALP-45s pulling Bi-levels and not 46s. I saw the announcement and it said the bi-levels which totally belong on the Bergen (which is not electrified by the way) would be included with NJCL. With that said, and I stand along side my brothers who were misled, bamboozled and slapped across the face, I must take a stand. I would have happily paid for a stand alone unit. And now that this "gift" has been taken away and attached to another asset I must purchase. I will make my stand. Quote me fellas. It will be a cold day in HE double hockey sticks before I part with a dime to get the bi-levels. Shame on he who misinformed so many.

[FanRailer]

Just as an order of clarification; as I understand it, you MUST own the ALP-46 DLC to receive the actual MLV cars in the update (whenever that comes out). Simply owning the NJCL will not do anything for you. If for whatever reason you own the ALP-46 but NOT the NJCL, you would get the cars, but not the scenarios (obviously).

And here is why I said this:

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As you read that notification, it is clear the MLV cars themselves are being dropped into the ALP-46 DLC (not the NJCL DLC). Nowhere does it say anything about adding them to the ALP-45DP, dual mode compatibility, etc.

So I will reiterate again just so that it's clear and there are no misunderstandings; it is my strong belief that you would need to own the ALP-46 to actually get the cars in the update. If you only own the NJCL and NOT the ALP-46, nothing will happen for you (you won't get the cars, or see the new scenarios, since you don't see the scenarios for the ALP-46 + Comets if you don't own the ALP-46 DLC).

Own both ALP-46 + NJCL = Multilevel update fully functional for you, congrats.
Own just the ALP-46 but not NJCL = Multilevel update partially functional (you get cars, but no scenarios).
Own just the NJCL but not ALP-46 = No joy.

In response to Minerman's post, I would like to bring back part of the same screenshot and also my reasoning as to why I originally predicted that you WOULD need the ALP-46 to get the Multilevels. The first phrase of this announcement literally says "release of the MultiLevel vehicles into the ALP-46 pack...". That's pretty clear language to me; it says that (assuming most of you guys know how the content is structured within the assets folder) the Multilevels were being released as an update into the ALP-46 folder. Nowhere did it say "release of MultiLevel vehicles into the North Jersey Coast Line pack". If it HAD said that somewhere, I would not have made a case for you needing the ALP-46.

YES, I did read the phrase "released with both the ALP-46 and North Jersey Coast Route", and again, I will say that people need the NJCL in order to run the two career scenarios that come with this update. I can somewhat understand where people could read that phrase and somehow take that to mean that a copy of the cars would be included in an update to the NJCL pack as well, but the first phrase precluded that assumption. If customers are truly angry at being misinformed about what they would need to get this otherwise free update, perhaps they should petition DTG to be more clear about their messaging in the future.

[minerman146]

Fanrailer - I both appreciate and regret your response - through no fault of yours. You got it right. I read what you said, and I did not see what you saw because I have no comprehension of folder structure for DLC. I took it at face value which was NJCL customers get the Bi-Level, in spite of the fact the Gary in his last paragraph states:

"As free bonus content to accompany the available Train Simulator Bombardier-built NJT ALP-46 electric, and for service on the acclaimed North Jersey Coast Line route, Dovetail Games is releasing the NJT Bombardier MultiLevel commuter cars next week! Available in car-cab and two coach configurations, the MultiLevels will make perfect additions to NJCL route operations and excellent complements to the already available Comet-series equipment. Two new career scenarios featuring the MultiLevels are also included in the bonus package, which will be automatically delivered to those who have purchased the NJT ALP-46 DLC. – Gary Dolzall"

I see it - It says right here: I paraphrase: Bonus content for the Bombardier built NJT ALP-46. At the top it says ALP-46 and NJCL. You see it, I see it and we all see the contradiction. So I have a problem with reading comprehension - I can now see that in crystal clear hindisight. That article wove the new content into a discussion of both the ALP46 and the NJCL and that was the 'sell' and that, to me, was misleading. My vantage point is from the Bergen. Bi-levels are pulled by ALP-45s on the Bergen. I rode one with the younger in August from Waldwick. So one can see where I got - well - confused.

You Fanrailer, know how well the Bi-Level goes with the Bergen. We are not electrified. So its a heartbreaker for me.
Lastly I realized this is all cool with everyone who has the ALP46. But what about those guys who only have the NJCL and read this article?
"Free Content" my A-double Snake is what I say! I am one of those guys!

I threw the gauntlet down, and it stays, unlike the article I am clear in what I say I am going to do. I would rather have my conviction than the Bi-level at this point.

[RSMattP]

Hi Everyone

I want to re-assure everyone that the messaging, which I felt was very clear, is completely correct and remains true - you will NOT need to own the ALP-46 in order to get the Multilevels. They WILL be made available to those who only own the NJCL.

HOWEVER - there has been a slight hiccup in communications unfortunately. The NJCL pack requires more testing to ensure all is ok before it is put out and unfortunately this has not yet finished. We wanted to put the coaches out for the ALP46 as that pack was ready to go and as soon as the NJCL pack finishes it's time with the QA team it will also be updated and then everyone with *either* of those packs will then have the coaches.

I know everyone is excited to receive the coaches and we're excited to get them out there.

I am doing an NJCL / NJT special on the Official DTG twitch stream tonight, showing the coaches, the route and the other loco's we've released just as a catch up for anyone that might have missed something, and I will clarify this once again there for everyone too.

You WILL be getting the coaches even if you only own the NJCL and NOT the ALP-46, you will just have to wait a little bit longer (unofficially, possibly next week? but don't take that as a promise!) while we finish up the testing process.

If you have any more questions please feel free to ask them, or pop along to the stream later and ask there :)

Regards,
Matt Peddlesden
Senior Producer, Dovetail Games

[buzz456]

Thank you so much for clarifying the situation Matt. Now if we can get back to seeing some pictures of this addon from some of the members who have it so the rest of us who just have the route can drool that would be great.

[rarecommonsense]

Thank you so much for clarifying the situation Matt. Now if we can get back to seeing some pictures of this addon from some of the members who have it so the rest of us who just have the route can drool that would be great.

No problem, Buzz!