Announcing Feather River Canyon Enhanced

[AmericanSteam]

Amazing, on other TSC forums some people are complaining about lack of perfection but are demanding that it should be for free.

[buzz456]

Amazing, on other TSC forums some people are complaining about lack of perfection but are demanding that it should be for free.

We just have to understand that some people are just plain nuts. I don't know what kind of values they grew up with or were taught but these people need to be ignored or or made fun of, certainly not taken seriously.

[AmericanSteam]

Sigh............

[ElphabaWS]

Looks pretty good. Adds some more stuff to do on the route. Just wish High Iron would make a few 2 Headlight F7's. I am pretty sure there were more Double Headlight versions than Single Headlight ones. Just my ...Stefan

This is incorrect. The only F7s with dual headlights owned by the WP were the FP7s, of which there were 4. All 24 of F7A/D units owned by WP had the single headlight as modeled. As Buzz said, the FP7 is available as a separate DLC.

I believe the original poster was referencing F7s in general, not just those of WP.

Whoa Nelly... I did not mean to start a flame war. Elphaba is right it was just a general observation. I have the HIS Awesome Santa Fe pack and I have painted several CNW F Units from that Pack. I supposed this observation comes under the heading of "Rivet Counting" because the F3 in the Santa Fe has Double Headlights, and is awesome. It come down to the "Horns", the F3 has a singe 3 or 5 Chime Horn, and I would like to see some F7 Units with the single Split / Front-Rear Horns. I apologize for any misunderstanding, and there was no mean intent. Stefan

Absolutely no need to apologize and your question/suggestion is a good one. Some individuals can't wait to say something is "incorrect" (or worse) even when they don't bother to read the statement in the first place. Hopefully we will indeed find a good reason to create some double-headlight F7s.

[spartantrain32]

Amazing, on other TSC forums some people are complaining about lack of perfection but are demanding that it should be for free.

What it should be priced at I don't follow them wholeheartedly but the rest maybe more.
As someone who buys/plays games from several developers, being sold a product that is essentially more or less the same with a few things packed in can be frustrating. Anyone who games outside of Trainsim would know.
And yes before anyone says it, you can vote with your wallet. However I do think both sides could benefit from discussions like this. I bought FRC already and I myself am not keen on spending more on what in my honest opinion could have been an update to the route itself.

[Unoriginal]

A couple of BN's F7s had double headlights, so there's a potential idea for some expansion pack. (not sure if any had dual horns though)

[AmericanSteam]

Amazing, on other TSC forums some people are complaining about lack of perfection but are demanding that it should be for free.

What it should be priced at I don't follow them wholeheartedly but the rest maybe more.
As someone who buys/plays games from several developers, being sold a product that is essentially more or less the same with a few things packed in can be frustrating. Anyone who games outside of Trainsim would know.
And yes before anyone says it, you can vote with your wallet. However I do think both sides could benefit from discussions like this. I bought FRC already and I myself am not keen on spending more on what in my honest opinion could have been an update to the route itself.

Not just an update, but a route extension as well. There is a difference.

[buzz456]

This is a recording. You have no entitlement to anything. If you don't think the offering is worth the money don't buy it. Period.

[spartantrain32]

A fair explanation on something someone said is not entitlement
I think that has become another word which has been overused and its meaning to it lost.

[spartantrain32]

This is a recording. You have no entitlement to anything. If you don't think the offering is worth the money don't buy it. Period.

and i did say "And yes before anyone says it, you can vote with your wallet. However I do think both sides could benefit from discussions like this. I bought FRC already and I myself am not keen on spending more on what in my honest opinion could have been an update to the route itself."

I'm sure so much hard work went into the extension that i have no doubt.

[GreatNortherner]

what in my honest opinion could have been an update to the route itself

From the perspective of one of the devs involved in this project, I'd like to respond to that and say that the time and resources it took to create this route, the equipment and the scenarios compare with a project that was started from scratch. And that's all I can say about this as I don't have any new arguments to add to the discussion about pricing, which is as old as the first payware add-ons in MSTS or MSFS.

Cheers,
Michael

[cnwfan]

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion about the route. Judging from the screen shots, just the locos and rolling stock is worth the price of admission.

[ElphabaWS]

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion about the route. Judging from the screen shots, just the locos and rolling stock is worth the price of admission.

Thank you for returning this thread to "our regularly scheduled programming ...."

[jalsina]

and i did say "And yes before anyone says it, you can vote with your wallet. However I do think both sides could benefit from discussions like this. I bought FRC already and I myself am not keen on spending more on what in my honest opinion could have been an update to the route itself."

I'm sure so much hard work went into the extension that i have no doubt.

I believe I have a pretty good knowledge of the Feather River Canyon route since it was released in 2016. My opinion is that FRC was an almost perfect route from the beginning. It wouldn´t be any reason to update it and spend money for an enhancement, but with the new extension that is another story.

Early discussions in this forum, back in 2016, mentioned the need for an extra stretch of route to get it up to Portola, particularly because besides Oroville, Portola was the other interesting yard at the other edge of the route. So somebody with scenery design talent (dleeboy), came up and designed the FRC extension up to beyond Portola, in a record time. That extension was pretty good and was very appealing, but it was made hurriedly and left a lot of track signals issues along the line from Keddie to Portola. I particularly took the flag of the FRC extension and reworked all signals and other track signs. I fixed also a few issues in the original FRC. But once that was done, I could not publish it here or elsewhere because there was an author resisting any change in the extension route, so I passed it by email to a few enthusiastic users of FRC (friends). With the years (after 2016) I made some scenarios and added more details to FRCX for my own usage. All this is partly documented in this forum.

All that said and after seeing the screenshots about the oncoming FRC Enhanced, for me it will be a welcome addition worth to get it for my collection, in spite I already have a full FRCX (FRC plus the extension) that works beautifully.
The few pictures available have already shown me that the enhanced extension part is much better than the old 2016 reworked nice extension.
Unfortunately, I don´t have a big wallet to spend in games these days, but I will surely acquire FRC enhanced (hoping my interest in TSC doesn´t vanish again) because it is probably the route I like the most in Train Simulator.
It´s not a matter of "a vote". It is just that I like it.

Jorge

[RudiJaeger]

A couple of BN's F7s had double headlights, so there's a potential idea for some expansion pack. (not sure if any had dual horns though)

I know it seems a bit off-topic, but since it was already brought up here; this is just a note to Elphaba about the previous F7 dual headlight suggestion, and the photo posted by "Unoriginal":
BN 722 was formerly Northern Pacific 6011A. NP's F7 / FP7's both featured dual headlamps (note the bulb colors and configurations between the passenger and freight units in the photos below). Unique to the NP was the five-space numbering system, for example "6513C" and the use of metal "Northern Pacific" script affixed to the the grille's of the passenger B-units (which would likely require some additional 3-D modelling or perhaps bump-mapping to bring them into TS). Of course the passenger B-units would be somewhat of a one-off, so I can understand that it might not be profitable unless they were included to sweeten a larger package deal; sort of like DTM's BN & Predecessor U25 Pack.

NP_FP7_6513C.jpg

NP_F7_6015D.jpg

That's my rivet-counting contribution for today, thanks for reading; now back to our regularly scheduled topic.