GP20 On its way

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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby dejoh » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:07 pm

Here's a bunch of great skins for the SD45. There is also one for Conrail available.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby dgallina » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:10 pm

Thank you, just bought it.

IMO this is *much* better than selling the reskins as individual $20 (or more) models.

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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby AdmiralLeviathan » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:12 pm

buzz456 wrote:So what do you complainers think is a 'reasonable' price for a addon that now makes it possible to do additional re-paints with the headlight in the right place for some other roads?


Personally, for a single engine which has only a handful of different components and requires a $20 pack to be bought as well. . . I would say $2-3 is more on the mark. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby BNSF650 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:47 pm

AdmiralLeviathan wrote:
buzz456 wrote:So what do you complainers think is a 'reasonable' price for a addon that now makes it possible to do additional re-paints with the headlight in the right place for some other roads?


Personally, for a single engine which has only a handful of different components and requires a $20 pack to be bought as well. . . I would say $2-3 is more on the mark. But that's just my opinion.


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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby buzz456 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:34 pm

Not to try to put too fine a point on this but if you are in the business as he is, and knowing from experience how long it takes to do a quality repaint, I would suggest to you that a couple of bucks is not worth his time for the number of these he's going to sell. If they get that low I think you are going to have to count on us hobby guys doing it for free to see anything after the original model. And you know how fickle we are. *!!wink!!*
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby Bermúdez » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:43 am

Sorry, but I think you are wrong.
A cheap product will always get more sales than an expensive one. Consequently, the seller will get more profit selling it cheaper than selling it expensive.
For example, I would buy it if it cost 2 or 3 dollars, but I do not intend to buy it for $4.99. Users who think like me, are sales that the seller loses.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby plovdiv21 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:18 pm

I think $4.99 is quite reasonable for this loco.You get 3 versions -realistic start up(which for me puts this a step above all other RW/TS locos)AI and engine already started.If this was RSC instead of REPPO,they would add a few scenarios and charge $20 for it.I can't fault these guys.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby Bermúdez » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:55 pm

plovdiv21 wrote:I think $4.99 is quite reasonable for this loco.You get 3 versions -realistic start up(which for me puts this a step above all other RW/TS locos)AI and engine already started.If this was RSC instead of REPPO,they would add a few scenarios and charge $20 for it.I can't fault these guys.

It's 4.99 for one reskin, not for one loco.
You must own the original locomotive → http://store.steampowered.com/app/222571/ in order to enjoy this one.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby buzz456 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:02 pm

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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby thecanadianrail » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:50 pm

Bermúdez wrote:
plovdiv21 wrote:I think $4.99 is quite reasonable for this loco.You get 3 versions -realistic start up(which for me puts this a step above all other RW/TS locos)AI and engine already started.If this was RSC instead of REPPO,they would add a few scenarios and charge $20 for it.I can't fault these guys.

It's 4.99 for one reskin, not for one loco.
You must own the original locomotive → http://store.steampowered.com/app/222571/ in order to enjoy this one.


its not actually a reskin, its a different GP20, please note that the headlights are different than the SP version, therefor it cannot be a repaint.
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby johnmckenzie » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:49 am

I'm very happy - it's a beautifully fuctional loco for less than the price of a pint of beer. **!!2cents!!**
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby dejoh » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:21 am

johnmckenzie wrote:I'm very happy - it's a beautifully fuctional loco for less than the price of a pint of beer. **!!2cents!!**

That's a good comparison. Once or twice a week, I go out to lunch with friends from work, and drop $20.00 very easily. Lunch is soon over, but my UP reskin is up and running anytime I feel like accessing it. If $4.99 breaks your budget, don't buy it. !*don-know!*
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby ArcticCatZRT » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:36 pm

Quite frankly there are two options that could be happening right now with this:

A. Pay 20 bucks up front for the main "base" package and then pay 5 bucks each for any additional liveries I would want.

B. RSC could be doing what they usually do and sell each livery separately for 20 bucks.

I would rather have option A out of the two, granted it would be nice for all the liveries to be in the same pack for 20 bucks but lets face it, that isn't going to happen! **!!2cents!!**
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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby Giuseppe » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:59 pm

Bermúdez wrote:Sorry, but I think you are wrong.
A cheap product will always get more sales than an expensive one. Consequently, the seller will get more profit selling it cheaper than selling it expensive.
For example, I would buy it if it cost 2 or 3 dollars, but I do not intend to buy it for $4.99. Users who think like me, are sales that the seller loses.
It is my humble opinion.


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This is an issue of very basic economics. Let's first assume that the cost to distribute a locomotive pack to each customer is zero (and in reality, it isn't--you have to take server maintenance, etc. into account) and that the number of potential customers (that is, the number of people who might download the pack were it to be free) is finite. In this case, the seller's goal, assuming its goal is to make money, should be to maximize its revenue; that is, (Number of Customers)x(Price of Product). Note that as the price drops, the number of customers increases, and vice-versa. So, if the price is set at, let's say, $100, revenue will be zero because no one would want to buy the product at that price. Now if the price were reduced to $0, the number of sales would equal the number of potential customers, which is great because their number of customers has been maximized! Except that, of course, their revenue would still be zero because they're not charging anything for their product. So the seller will not maximize profits by simply "selling it cheaper than selling it expensive."

So, in order to maximize profits, the seller's goal is NOT to maximize the number of people buying its products but to maximize (assuming O&M costs are still zero) its revenues. While setting the price for this pack at $5.00 will turn away quite a few customers, you included, that doesn't mean it's a bad business decision. A further point is that when the O&M costs are introduced, the seller's goal is no longer to maximize revenue; maximum profits will now be achieved when even fewer customers buy the product (because there is now a cost associated with manufacturing and distributing the product). So I guess my main point is:

Maximizing Number of Customers ≠ Maximizing Profits


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Re: GP20 On its way

Unread postby hertsbob » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:04 pm

For Buzz:

I generally find it's somewhere between 10 and 15, but they're really difficult to count when they're dancing about.

Not dissimilar to counting lots of fish when you think about it... Live ones, obviously; the frozen variety are far easier to keep track of! (Fish. Not angels - I don't think I've ever seen one of those frozen)

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