ATSF Seligman Sub

[buzz456]

Probably it's best if you don't try to pick a fight with me. The point I was trying to make was all he was doing was trashing the rolling stock which to those that don't know any different they probably won't know any difference and for the rest of us we are well aware of the issues with the stock rolling we really don't care since we are just interested in the route. Dissing stuff for recreational purposes is generally frowned upon here. I think back on topic would be to talk about the route instead of the stock that comes with it which in this case we all know is not Mileposts creations.

Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering why you always have to judge other people's critiques. You seem to like being aggressive and judgmental toward others and their opinions. It does get really annoying. He simply made a statement and you blew up over it. None of this would have started if you didn't say anything. Again, not picking a fight, but if you want to keep others in check, maybe hold yourself to the same standard. Be a role model. Creating a hostile environment only brews more hostility, hence why every DLC in this category ends up with comments deleted. People can have opinions after all.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a answer.

[DrTrenchcoat]

Probably it's best if you don't try to pick a fight with me. The point I was trying to make was all he was doing was trashing the rolling stock which to those that don't know any different they probably won't know any difference and for the rest of us we are well aware of the issues with the stock rolling we really don't care since we are just interested in the route. Dissing stuff for recreational purposes is generally frowned upon here. I think back on topic would be to talk about the route instead of the stock that comes with it which in this case we all know is not Mileposts creations.

Just gonna say, I'm personally rather interested in the quality of rolling stock included with any given route, it plays a rather large role in my decision whether or not to purchase TS DLC.

[buzz456]

Probably it's best if you don't try to pick a fight with me. The point I was trying to make was all he was doing was trashing the rolling stock which to those that don't know any different they probably won't know any difference and for the rest of us we are well aware of the issues with the stock rolling we really don't care since we are just interested in the route. Dissing stuff for recreational purposes is generally frowned upon here. I think back on topic would be to talk about the route instead of the stock that comes with it which in this case we all know is not Mileposts creations.

Just gonna say, I'm personally rather interested in the quality of rolling stock included with any given route, it plays a rather large role in my decision whether or not to purchase TS DLC.

Well sir if you have been around TS for any amount of time you know that the rolling stock for this route is just the re-cycled DTG stuff with all of its warts. These guys are good route builders but do not like most do any Rail Vehicles. As far as US stuff the only time you can expect anything original is if it is offered by the GTrax boys. The rest of it is just DTG same oh same oh. We all need to deal with it and not act like spoiled children who didn't get some Searchlight quality new thing with each route. This thread should be about the route unless you expect something else. If you do you will be disappointed as all you will be getting is a new paint job that certain members of the community will immediately start telling us is the wrong colors. If the route itself isn't enough then I suggest you don't buy.

[Railfan722]

Colors are at least closer than certain individuals in this community get with their reskins. I don’t ask for much, but when I’m paying $40 for a route I would like to know that when it comes to stock, I’m not paying for the same awful models and sounds that have been in circulation since the Kuju era. Even the basic DTG standard is better to some extent, at least their models are usually scaled more or less correctly. The stock is part of the route, and features prominently in the article, so why shouldn’t it be discussed here?

edit: the F45 especially showed the most promise out of all the stuff in the pack, and I wouldn’t have minded a replacement for the reskin of the BN version in the file library; it’s a well done skin, but not having autonumbering plus the whole BNSF licensing thing makes it a bit hard to use in scenarios that you actually want to release. Unfortunately, Milepost appear to not have had much regard for color accuracy and it almost certainly won’t be compatible with the Searchlight enhancement, so there goes that hope.

[BNSFdude]

Gonna have to side with Buzz on this one. Been 10+ years now of the same stuff as far as stock goes, not sure why anyone would expect different.

[jmslakings]

I was just over at the Run8 site yesterday looking at their Seligman route wondering if it would ever come to TS. Poof here it is! You have my attention!

[_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha]

Probably it's best if you don't try to pick a fight with me. The point I was trying to make was all he was doing was trashing the rolling stock which to those that don't know any different they probably won't know any difference and for the rest of us we are well aware of the issues with the stock rolling we really don't care since we are just interested in the route. Dissing stuff for recreational purposes is generally frowned upon here. I think back on topic would be to talk about the route instead of the stock that comes with it which in this case we all know is not Mileposts creations.

Just gonna say, I'm personally rather interested in the quality of rolling stock included with any given route, it plays a rather large role in my decision whether or not to purchase TS DLC.

Buzz being his usual self here.

The newbie buyer argument doesn't hold much stock I think either. Are there still newbie buyers of a 10 years old franchise when there is the all singing and dancing Train Sim World, that can even be played on gaming consoles?

Route and rolling stock should be sold separately, with a suitable discount of the rolling stock pack when purchases along with the route, should satisfy most of us who already have all this rolling stock and more.

For me, this is just another item for the wishlist, to be picked up when discounted sufficiently to discard the included rolling stock alltogether.

[mindenjohn]

I would prefer to buy routes without rolling stock but that upsets the quick drive boys.

[buzz456]

Some folks buy the routes strictly for all of the scenarios so if there would be no rolling stock there would be no scenarios. A lot of people have no interest in a route that does not have scenarios.

[ElphabaWS]

The newbie buyer argument doesn't hold much stock I think either. Are there still newbie buyers of a 10 years old franchise when there is the all singing and dancing Train Sim World, that can even be played on gaming consoles?

GD - Yes, there are what you call "newbie buyers" for TS. As many other members of the community also do, I often hear from people new to the TS hobby who have questions, etc.

Route and rolling stock should be sold separately, with a suitable discount of the rolling stock pack when purchases along with the route, should satisfy most of us who already have all this rolling stock and more.

GD - Which is actually to say would satisfy you but perhaps not necessarily "most" others.

For me, this is just another item for the wishlist, to be picked up when discounted sufficiently to discard the included rolling stock alltogether.

GD - Important to know, thanks.

[kris120]

Full agree. Not only here, also to other situations.

[cnwfan]

Wow... interesting conversation to say the least. From my point of view... I'm just glad DTG and 3rd party content developers are still supporting a 10+ year simulator. They could easily have moved to another simulators and games, and we would be left with a static and eventually dead sim. We are getting a Santa Fe detailed F45, along with an Santa Fe detailed SD40-2 and from the looks of it, a pretty good representation of a prototypical route. The community will take care of the branding, and given the repaint artists we have in this group, I'm sure paint colors can be altered through "texture adjustments".

Finally, it is ok to acknowledge the bad as these are opportunities to improve. But also appreciate and recognize the good, as these are results of dedication and hard work.

[Schnauzahpowahz]

Valid points all sides

The route looks worthy imo which is about where it ends.
Also theres no shortage of repaints and stock that can be swapped out

I for one use the scenarios with swapped equipment, i like to "feel" like im doing somthing and not just freeroaming or qd'ing just to watch from afar and take photos.

Itd be work surely, but offering a non scenario'd and rolling stock vers along *with* the standard would be cool

[buzz456]

"Itd be work surely, but offering a non scenario'd and rolling stock vers along *with* the standard would be cool"

Now there is a real and positive idea.

[Boss1]

Looking at the screen shots, I am impressed so far. I have hiked all around the Diablo Canyon and the Two Guns area and the newer bridge even has the old bridges footings next to it. I could care less about the rolling stock included and focus mainly on the route itself.