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Here are some articles about Windows 10 causing major issues for Nvidia users. No dual-monitors, SLI issues, crashes, boot up issues. Has partly to do with a conflict with Geforce Experience. Windows 10 is forcing driver updates.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... c-updates/

http://betanews.com/2015/07/26/windows- ... -computer/


Potential fixes...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly ... -problems/


This is a Microsoft tool that MIGHT stop mandatory updates AFTER Windows 10 is installed....

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

They better get this sorted out soon cuz it drops on us in 2 days!

10 is not mandatory at this time right?

Well upgrading to 10 isn't mandatory. You have to opt-into the upgrade in the first year to get it free though. Otherwise you can stick with 7 or 8 forever on the machines that have it. The driver updates seem to be mandatory for the Home version and SOME level of options for PRO and ENTERPRISE versions. Not sure if that opt-out tool I linked to will work for the home version and for final release version. It may only work for pre-release versions the testers are using.

I've heard of fast ring and slow ring options. I've heard slow ring is by default which means updates won't be forced on you for 1 month and fast ring are immediate updates...aka "the guinea pigs". Not sure if this pertains to tester versions or the final release.

Thanks for the info. I keep getting the sales pitch on my machine at home but nothing here at work. All of them are running win7.

I can not get the ad at home or at work. Both systems have the same crazy error that can only be fixed by reinstalling the system. I am not about to do that. I spent 2 weekends trying to get their patches to fix it and the bottom line is re-install Win7. However my wife's computer is set up to get the upgrade so I will let her be the guinea pig. Can always whack it and put 7 back on. She plays Majhong and solitaire and browses the web. So driver should not be an issue except maybe her Photosmart printer.

Geforce Experience has always been flaky, I've never been able to run it without random fubar happening.

I was going to get Windows 10 but at the last minute opted out. I just had a "feeling" a gut wrenching bad one.
The main reason I decided against it, was the mandatory updates for the "Home" version users. Going through Windows 7 updates, that frequently have things like GPU drivers in them has saved me a lot of time and trouble. I can't imagine letting Microsoft have full control of the update process.

Even with the update process set to only look for important updates, MS will frequently stick something dangerous in the list of updates. Or at least not wanted, like Skype recently...

I've been looking at Linux distros lately and playing around with them, but contrary to what the Penguin Boys and Girls say, they have just as many if not more problems with broken installers etc than Microsoft or Apple after updates, and it's a small nightmare to reinstall a lot of Linux programs.
It's like some ancient DOS system asking for PPA codes and constantly asking for passwords.

I was being overly generous to Linux, they definitely have more issues. All kinds of things I've tried to download from the Ubuntu Software Centre are broken.
From reading in the Linux forums I'd say a good analogy would be Microsoft breaking a couple of your programs every six months, and the developers having to put out a fix. Even their own programs from Ubuntu's Canonical.

When you install things in Ubuntu, you get allot of programs that won't work at first. Then you have to open a "terminal" think DOS promt in windows, and run some command to "update". Which doesn't work half the time.
When you've read around in their forums for a few days and get some practical experience with one of the Linux OS' you realize some of loudest Windows haters obviously never actually owned or used a Windows machine...

I've been running the Windows 10 demo with my Nvidia GTX 560 and everything works fine. Maybe it's because I haven't installed GeForce experience yet.

GeForce Experience is definitely part of the problem. I've installed it a couple of times and I always end up removing it. Things like the system info are usually way off. It can really foul up a driver update too.

Microsoft has no business updating any drivers.

I'm about three or four drivers back and it's really stable. I've tried all the newer ones and they seem to have issues with RW.

I'm gonna remove the Geforce Experience for the time being to be on the safe side. I'll put it back when Ndidia users report the issue has been resolved. I like the Geforce Experience mainly for ShadowPlay. Let's you record videos of your games using the extra GPU horsepower instead of CPU horsepower dependent video capture software like Fraps and Bandicam. I haven't fully compared them head to head in the latest graphically taxing games yet, but my framerates were definitely higher and smoother when recording in Railworks with ShadowPlay than they had ever been using Bandicam for me.

buzz456 wrote:I'm about three or four drivers back and it's really stable. I've tried all the newer ones and they seem to have issues with RW.

Me too Buzz. I've been getting flickering and strange artifacts on the screen with the newer Nvidia drivers.
I'm currently using 344.750. I'm glad I learned to save the installer with my backups, for the stable versions.
The newer Nvidia drivers have also been giving me problems with MSI Afterburner and EVGA Precision.

10 million people have been testing Windows 10. I have been on the internet since 1998 and there is always scare mongering articles on the internet when something new comes out, believe as much of it as you like. I'm getting Windows 10 when it comes out. Have reserved my copy. For those who haven't reserved your copy you may have to wait a few days to get it.

If this is a real problem and not just another case of web smoke-and-mirrors induced panic. I feel quite sure that Nvidia is well aware of it and working on a solution. Also, from what I've read, the July 29 date is pretty iffy for the vast majority of those who have scheduled the free update.

OldProf wrote:If this is a real problem and not just another case of web smoke-and-mirrors induced panic. I feel quite sure that Nvidia is well aware of it and working on a solution. Also, from what I've read, the July 29 date is pretty iffy for the vast majority of those who have scheduled the free update.

Geforce Experience has had tons of bugs for over a year Tom and they haven't fixed it yet.
Microsoft doesn't need to be offering GPU, Sound etc drivers.
Microsoft only updates the main GPU driver and that is part of the problem. I found out reading at Nvidia's forums a couple of years ago, that the PhysX etc are updated at the same time to go with the new driver version (usually) and that is another reason MS shouldn't be tampering with such things.
I've never had a problem with something like a Windows security patch or fixes to Windows in general, but I have more than once had problems from attempts at throwing in drivers.
Since I stopped letting driver updates through Windows update, by setting the automatic updates to "off" and doing it myself once a week (reading through the list), I've had no problems whatsoever in more than 3 years.
This mandatory updates for Windows 10 Home users is a big mistake, not "The sky is falling" chicken little stuff.
Anybody I've talked to that is a coder, developer etc says the same thing "WTF does Microsoft think they are doing?"

I use the ge force experience to configure all my games, then I uninstall it.

I went back, way back on the nVidia drivers and it stopped the crashing while painting. It also got rid of the flashing/strobing 2D map.

Buzz I am using the one you suggested to me a few weeks ago.