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This article: http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2015/05/1 ... /?ssdflaw=
postulates that SSD's may be prone to data loss if turned off for a period particularly if the temperature rises by just 5 deg C (9 deg F).
If its true its a bit of a worry as my PC's (inc laptop) operate in temperatures over 30 deg C (86 deg F) and are turned off for some period of time.
However in 3 years of operating a SSD in the conditions described in the article - I have not seen any data loss.
Has anyone seen data loss on their SSD due to temperature and inaction?
pH

peterhayes wrote:This article: http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2015/05/1 ... /?ssdflaw=
postulates that SSD's may be prone to data loss if turned off for a period particularly if the temperature rises by just 5 deg C (9 deg F).
If its true its a bit of a worry as my PC's (inc laptop) operate in temperatures over 30 deg C (86 deg F) and are turned off for some period of time.
However in 3 years of operating a SSD in the conditions described in the article - I have not seen any data loss.
Has anyone seen data loss on their SSD due to temperature and inaction?
pH

The two Samsung SSDs in my PC have lived in hot, dry Spain (Madrid to be precise) for most of their lives (coming up to 6 years now) and were switched off during the day (while I was at work) and for longer periods in the very hot summers (while I was away in Scotland, escaping from the heat). I've never had any data loss from the SSDs except in the first few months when one of them failed and was replaced under guarantee.

My laptop also has an SSD and that's almost the only part of the laptop that hasn't failed at one time or another.

I have three different computers with SSD in them one of them being a laptop which goes through all kinds of environmental changes and gets shut of for extended periods. Two years and no problems. I also have a couple of WD externals which get hauled around the country in my briefcase and no issues so far. One of them is three or four years old.

I've had several different SSDs used among 3 desktops and 2 laptops, for several years, and never once had an issue with data loss.

Two Corsair Force 3's here, four years old. Constant data writes due to content creation, and no issues thusfar. The original drive, a red 120GB, does emit a very high pitched, barely audible sound that you get used to after a while.

With SSD's, as well as any other drives, the keys to data safety is frequent backups. In today's world of power instability and crypto-locker malware, drive failure is the least of your worries.

peterhayes wrote:This article: http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2015/05/1 ... /?ssdflaw=
postulates that SSD's may be prone to data loss if turned off for a period particularly if the temperature rises by just 5 deg C (9 deg F).
If its true its a bit of a worry as my PC's (inc laptop) operate in temperatures over 30 deg C (86 deg F) and are turned off for some period of time.
However in 3 years of operating a SSD in the conditions described in the article - I have not seen any data loss.
Has anyone seen data loss on their SSD due to temperature and inaction?
pH

I have had two SSD's die on me without warning. They are all solid state, I doubt such a small temperature rise will kill them.
It is usually the controller chips that fail, they have a life expectancy of a certain something billion operations. The memory cells are much more robust and the controllers are capable or re-mapping dead cells.

Are SSD's S.M.A.R.T. nowadays, so they can forewarn you of their imminent failure?

Backup, backup and once more backup your SSD's if you are a content creator!

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This is a relevant article from Samsung wrt to SMART and SSDs http://www.samsung.com/global/business/ ... per07.html
pH

I've never had any data loss either.
The only problems I've ever had with glitchy operation, is when I've tried to use Samsung's software that comes with their SSDs.
It's better to let Windows do it's own thing with trim etc. Windows 7 and up recognize SSDs and do whatever is necessary for proper operation.
Intel RST drivers also recognize SSDs and do whatever is necessary for proper upkeep etc.

One of the interesting facts about SSDs is that they should last almost indefinitely. However they want to sell more parts so they underdesign regulators and other components in things like the controllers, so the greedy ******** can sell more crap.
A SSD should last way longer than a mechanical drive with moving parts at 7000rpm...

That's quite a sweeping accusation there.

buzz456 wrote:That's quite a sweeping accusation there.

Yes, but in this case I have a Amateur Radio license, and grew up around electronics engineers from places like Apple, IBM, Lucent Technologies etc.
I therefor know what I'm talking about.

The proof is also in my 30 year old microwave, 25 year old Mitsubishi T.V, and a old transistor radio I got from a Navy Commander that's older than I am. He told be that old radio had been all over and even survived getting wet in a Typhoon. The T.V. had to go a couple of years ago in favor of a new digital model, but it still worked and so did the remote after all those years.
Those things are all electronic devices that were built before total crookery took over American and then Chinese industry.

Kalifornia Krazy. Sorry.

I'm with Eric on this. Things are made to last short times now so people will buy more. Just look at cars today, they last 10 years at the most and die, yet cars from the 30's-60's are still going. Old radios are a great example, tons of very old radios still around in perfectly good shape. I've got an apple 2 and it still runs perfectly, but I can't have a smartphone that lasts over 3 years without some stupid thing malfunction and then I have to get it repaired for 100+ bucks by the manufacturer or buy a new one.

Sorry, but cars from today are many times more reliable and longer lasting than cars of yesteryear... plain fact on that one.

Hi

240GB Corsair SSD here as my system drive.

Probably 1.5 to 2 years in 24/7 service. Total writes = 21 TB, total reads = 76.7 TB. Yes, that is TeraBytes, Windows constantly accesses your system drive..

No problems here so far, SMART indicates lots of life left (of course I have now jinxed it by saying that).

Yes, I do nightly backups but more in case I mess something up rather than expecting it to fail.

The recent crop of SSD's are much more reliable than some of the older ones, I had one of them fail in the past.

GaryG

plethaus wrote:Sorry, but cars from today are many times more reliable and longer lasting than cars of yesteryear... plain fact on that one.

+1. I have a Tahoe with 150K on it. Everything I owned from the seventies and eighties fell apart with less than a hundred thousand on them most of them not going more than 60 or seventy. Comparing your apple 2 to today's smart phone is like comparing a horse and buggy to a Corvette. My last Blackberry is now seven years old and the person who has it says it works perfectly. My Z10 I think is now 3 and works just fine. Quality is what quality is.

For every 30s-60s car still running there are thousands of them in the junk yard or ground up.