AMD Ryzen Talk.

[_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha]

AM4 is the new socket coming out for the new Ryzen based CPUs.
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The new motherboards for AM4 have all the goodies like Intel. I'm particularly interested in MSI and Asus versions. Those new mobos from those manufacturers even have pump headers for liquid cooled setups.

MSI and Asus are prime brands compared to AsRock. I bought that AsRock FX4100 combination only because of economics, but in hindsight regretted my decision.

Anyway, liquid cooling ...

I always wondered wether liquid cooling the CPU deprives the power regulators and capacitors sitting around the CPU socket of needed air flow? Allowing these critical components to heat up above their recommended value, leading to bursting caps etc?

Currently, the trend is to surround the CPU socket with fancy looking heatsinks over those passive components, hampering air flow even more if the CPU fan is removed because a water cooling block has been fitted.

Generally, I only prefer to overclock the CPU by 10-15% max, leaving North Bridge and RAM at default speeds. The reduction in lifespan isn't worth overclocking chipset and RAM IMO, if one goes for RAM that has low latency in the first place.
CPU's generally have some headroom, but due to variations in production batches as mentioned above, your actual max overclock will vary.

[Ericmopar]

AM4 is the new socket coming out for the new Ryzen based CPUs.
....
The new motherboards for AM4 have all the goodies like Intel. I'm particularly interested in MSI and Asus versions. Those new mobos from those manufacturers even have pump headers for liquid cooled setups.

MSI and Asus are prime brands compared to AsRock. I bought that AsRock FX4100 combination only because of economics, but in hindsight regretted my decision.

Anyway, liquid cooling ...

I always wondered whether liquid cooling the CPU deprives the power regulators and capacitors sitting around the CPU socket of needed air flow? Allowing these critical components to heat up above their recommended value, leading to bursting caps etc?

Currently, the trend is to surround the CPU socket with fancy looking heatsinks over those passive components, hampering air flow even more if the CPU fan is removed because a water cooling block has been fitted.

Generally, I only prefer to overclock the CPU by 10-15% max, leaving North Bridge and RAM at default speeds. The reduction in lifespan isn't worth overclocking chipset and RAM IMO, if one goes for RAM that has low latency in the first place.
CPU's generally have some headroom, but due to variations in production batches as mentioned above, your actual max overclock will vary.

You know... you may have a point about the peripheral heat sinks and chips.
I got curious and looked around on the interweb last night, and found a article that studied that very question. When they used a tower cooler or a liquid cooled setup, some of the surrounding components got up around 100C!
When they switched to a AMD Wraith type cooler, which is the type that blows through the heat sink to the mobo, the CPU temp rose slightly by about 2-3C, but the surrounding chips and heatsinks dropped a whopping 15C.
If I go AMD, I may take them up on the $20 offer to upgrade the CPU purchase with one of those AMD Wraith coolers. They test out about the same as a Cooler Master 212 series, which is pretty good.
This also means, if a person has a liquid cooled setup, it's very important to have a side mounted fan blowing on the components on the board.

[g_nash]

You know... you may have a point about the peripheral heat sinks and chips.
I got curious and looked around on the interweb last night, and found a article that studied that very question. When they used a tower cooler or a liquid cooled setup, some of the surrounding components got up around 100C!

Can you post a link ? or the search term you used ? I'm curious as to what they used in the tests. Thanks.

If I go AMD

I'm almost sold, but I can't put together a new build till June ( after tax time in AU ) so by then the reviews/opinions will tell the story...the feature set on that MSI X370 XPOWER Gaming board looks great.

[Ericmopar]

I'll see if I can find that link again for the Wraith cooler review.
I'm almost sold too. In this video, the guy says if you account for IPC, it's looking like the new Ryzen chips will be right up with Kaby Lake chips, maybe a bit faster depending on the situation.
This is looking very good. It's a sizable upgrade for someone like me that are still running a Ivy Bridge 15-3570k and an even bigger upgrade for someone on anything older than my setup.
It's the same AMD, CPU I'm looking at. A good solid 6 cores for TSW, plus any background things going on. I'm specifically interested in the R5 1600X.
There are two ways to do this. A Intel smacking 4 core for $200 or go for the $260 6 core and a decent $170-200 motherboard from MSI or Asus.

[Ericmopar]

Here is the cooler review for the Wraith and the comments about the chipset temps. This review is interesting, for what they found in general, not just the Wraith itself.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd ... 450-2.html

[_o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha]

Here is the cooler review for the Wraith and the comments about the chipset temps. This review is interesting, for what they found in general, not just the Wraith itself.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd ... 450-2.html

Thanks, Eric.

The Ryzen platform looks interesting after reading up on it. It is good that Intel gets some competition again at the upper end of the gamers market.
Have any new AMD (formerly ATI) GPU's been announced as well? CPU are one thing, but the GPU is even more important for gaming.

[Ericmopar]

Here is the cooler review for the Wraith and the comments about the chipset temps. This review is interesting, for what they found in general, not just the Wraith itself.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd ... 450-2.html

Thanks, Eric.

The Ryzen platform looks interesting after reading up on it. It is good that Intel gets some competition again at the upper end of the gamers market.
Have any new AMD (formerly ATI) GPU's been announced as well? CPU are one thing, but the GPU is even more important for gaming.

Yes Vega is coming out for the GPUs. I'm not sure how that's going to go though, since Nvidia has other advantages like Phys-X, or supposed advantages.
I just realized. Our Sim puts Phys-X on the CPU, so maybe AMD, GPUs aren't affected at all.

[g_nash]

Thanks for the link to that article and for the interesting vid..

This is what I'm look at...

Guesstimated AU$ Ryzen Prices

AMD Ryzen 7 1800X - $637
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X - $507
AMD Ryzen 5 1600X - $337

Current AU$ Broadwell-E Pricing

Intel Core i7 6800K - $649
Intel Core i7 6850K - $925
Intel Core i7 6900K - $1499
Intel Core i7 6950X - $2339

It's not hard to see that "if" the figures floating around are based on fact and that the 1700X can match (or -10/15%) the 6900K performance the savings I'd get by buying that chip would adds up to the cost of a Motherboard and some 3000mkz ram. Also add that I can get a 1080 gpu for about AU$1000

[Ericmopar]

Ooooooooo
Mmmmmmm
Ahhhhhhhh
It's looking like, with final driver updates etc, that Ryzen is pretty much up there with Kaby Lake and Sky Lake performance wise.
That's info coming from the tech industry media, after an official release of info from AMD this morning.
Not only that, but AMD's high end Ryzen chips are performing much more smoothly in gaming than Intel, even when the FPS are essentially the same. Apparently AMD has figured out a way to reduce or even eliminate most dropped frames.
Very intriguing.

http://hothardware.com/news/official-am ... ock-speeds

My favorite nerd.

[g_nash]

Yeah, impressive release, now we wait for tests and figures not from the company.

I liked this vid > Ryzen + Vega @4k Ultra looks to be silky smooth.

[Ericmopar]

Nice, that Star Wars Battlefront looks great.

[g_nash]

it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception this OC tool gets.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-master-overclocking-utility-detailed/

[Ericmopar]

it'll be interesting to see what kind of reception this OC tool gets.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-master-overclocking-utility-detailed/

That's interesting, but I know MSI and Asus already have great versions in their UEFI, BIOS.

Heres a Bench from User Benchmark.com I use this tool myself.
This is the production version of the R7 1700X
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-1700x-ben ... -lake-ipc/

[g_nash]

yap, that looks good for sure been reading around hardware forums and there's lots of benches and scores to come yet.

Not in any hurry to order so I'm still going to wait till the 1600X gets released and I see some results before I pick-a-chip..It will be new AMD though, not going to waste cash on Intel when I could spend the savings on a GPU.

Edit .. 1600X stuff

This still looks from a price/performance aspect, if they can sell this for US$260 they'll make some big $$ from those on a budget.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5 ... to_gaming/

[buzz456]

Just remember if it looks too good to be true it probably is.