New York Division-Bergen Line

[minerman146]

You do understand that one of the reason scenario builders haven't jumped on this is the fear that they will make one and then you'll change something that will screw up their scenario? Besides I have been having so much fun just cruising around so far...........

Yes, I do understand. I have worked with scenario builders in the past such as Joshua Harkness. That scenario blew up when we got to Suffern as he put too many trains there. If it is possible, and perhaps you, could help me. I would like to be put in contact with scaario writers to optimize the Bergenline. It's all about communication and I am here on this thread to discuss any technical issues that may arise. What I am concerned about is that once I finalize then the problems will come up and we will not have a mechanism to correct. Buzz is there a place here I can start a scenario Builders thread for the Bergenline so that we can have a bucket list of issues concerns and so on?

[buzz456]

Sure go in Scenario Design and open a thread for the Bergen.

[dgallina]

I'm happy with you finishing where you are happy & comfortable having put so many YEARS of work into this!

Personally I'd be gaga over a back-dated EL route with New Haven interchange at Maybrook. But I'm sure I'm in the minority and I'm VERY happy with what's here now :-)

Diego

[minerman146]

I'm happy with you finishing where you are happy & comfortable having put so many YEARS of work into this!

Personally I'd be gaga over a back-dated EL route with New Haven interchange at Maybrook. But I'm sure I'm in the minority and I'm VERY happy with what's here now :-)

Diego

I just started a friend list and put you there. Shhhhh. I got something to tell you... all I ever wanted to do is back date this route. This one is a test. I'm gonna copy my route, wipe out half the buildings and go 1970's. If you look around Suffern and in Sloatsburg - I did it already. Shhhhh...

Everyone else ignore the last 3 sentences.

Diego,

I just got to get where I am going with this route. This journey is epic and I need some darn sleep. But I promise, this will go final, it will be fully functional and complete. It is already. Every Mile I go beyond Harriman - the closer I get to 1972.

Regards,

MM

[dgallina]

I..... I think I love you :-)

[minerman146]

I..... I think I love you :-)

Gimme a hug already!

[kris120]

Hi, it me again, after a LONG time.
Checked your route regularily, and have always been amazed about the progress. It is really wonderful!

I have two tips for your signalling. I think you should seriously think about that, otherwise you will see red signals and only very simple scenarios will be possible.

1. Tip: Always cut and weld both branches of a switch after the frog of the switch. This ensures correct communication of the signal-scripts.

overtaking_links2.jpg

2. Don't place two times links of number 1 and higher after each other. This may work, if you have a 2L-Signal and no switch until the last link, but with a switch in between this does not work.
Better create a signal with only the links 0 and 1, unfortunately I don't know whether the workshop allows such slight modifications, which you have to offer with your route.

overtaking_links.jpg

To create the necessary signal in the first picture:
Create the Folder Assets\RSC\ShermanHill\RailNetwork\Signals\

Make a copy (out of the AP-File) of RSC\ShermanHill\RailNetwork\Signals\UP_Searchlight_IL_2H_2L_gantry.xml to the above folder:
Assets\RSC\ShermanHill\RailNetwork\Signals\UP_Searchlight_IL_2H_1L_gantry_Bergen.xml

In this xml change:
"UP Searchlight 2H 2L gantry" to: "UP Searchlight 2H 1L gantry (Bergen)"
and
<NumberOfTrackLinks d:type="sUInt32">3</NumberOfTrackLinks> to:
<NumberOfTrackLinks d:type="sUInt32">2</NumberOfTrackLinks>

Compile it with serz.exe

Hope that helps

Kris

[minerman146]

Kris120,
Excellent tips! You are correct, I have some issues with the signals particularly in Hoboken running through double-slips, I only get yellow. I see you are in Suffern. Those signals have been reworked a dozen times to get the signal to show divergence into Hillburn. On QD they work. I will definitely, create those breaks as you suggest, as I get issues on the main line with cross overs. I imagine now for the reason you describe; that it ensures correct communication of the signal-scripts. I will do this immediately system-wide.

With the workshop, and I have forced my self to work with its confines, I am unsure if modifying signals will work. I have not tested this in all this time. If anyone can confirm that I can add legs to the signals (which I DESPERATELY need with the SH signals) please advise! Please be aware that in all this time - track has been trial and error and the primary focus has been scenery. So, I am very inexperienced in getting under the hood and modifying the .xml or .geo.

My number one issue with signals has been micro-rail breaks. These are nasty little buggers. The are caused in general by using 'snap to track' to connect double track curves to straight. The fix is insane - for example, just this weekend I was trying correct signal C15.5 just West of the Broadway Station. 16 hours of track laying from Garfield to Plauderville later - its still busted (stuck on red) I replaced it with an ABS to get yellow. I had found 5 mirco-breaks in the rail. Previously, this signal showed green in QD and something had shook it loose in the past 5 months. If a user hadn't alerted me to it, it would have been a few more months before I saw it.

I appreciate your time and sharing these great images that detail the how-to! Allow me this week to create the breaks, as you describe, throughout the route. We can circle back after my update on Friday, as see if this improves things. - MM

[jamesphh]

You also need to look at the Dundee sub as there are multiple track rules and track speeds.
On You Tube there is a vid of the Morristown and Erie MX 29 on the Dundee sub. And with a Alco C-424 moving some old rail equipment.
Street running can be a PITA for rail crews.
Search for ' Morristown and Erie'

[minerman146]

You also need to look at the Dundee sub as there are multiple track rules and track speeds.
On You Tube there is a vid of the Morristown and Erie MX 29 on the Dundee sub. And with a Alco C-424 moving some old rail equipment.
Street running can be a PITA for rail crews.
Search for ' Morristown and Erie'

I got my work cut out for me... between straightening out the track rules and adding a ton more foliage. Dundee is much more overgrown today.
I caught the Morristown and Erie MX 29 youtube video... TONS OF DEATAIL!

Thanks Jamesphh!

[NYWhiskey]

Holy crap! You haven't started on the Bergen for TSW yet? Geez.....



Just kidding Adam of course.

[kris120]

Again, regarding the extra signals:
Please check the conditions of the workshop for adding "own" assets to routes.
I am quite not sure, whether this is allowed or/and accepted.
In normal freeware this is common, but in the workshop ... ? Did never see that ...
Kris

[minerman146]

Again, regarding the extra signals:
Please check the conditions of the workshop for adding "own" assets to routes.
I am quite not sure, whether this is allowed or/and accepted.
In normal freeware this is common, but in the workshop ... ? Did never see that ...
Kris

Kris120 - no custom assets are permitted in workshop. I can modify track rules and upload that (radius). They do get removed after ever update from steam on my machine. The rules for the track are retained. Yesterday, I completed the changes to the main-line and by Suffern as you pointed out. This will be released on Friday. I thought I had a bad signal issue, it wasn't the signal, it was one thrown switch on an x-over. As the main is 2 track, auto dispatcher saw 2 paths, and would not clear the block Westbound beyond the x-over. I had to relay the switch in the QD itself to fix. Changing the track in editor did not fix it in QD. This took 8 hours for me to figure out. The take away is .. its CRITICAL ... I have clean turnouts, track and signals or QDs and scenarios will be permanently fubar.

Please stay in touch.

[minerman146]

You also need to look at the Dundee sub as there are multiple track rules and track speeds.
On You Tube there is a vid of the Morristown and Erie MX 29 on the Dundee sub. And with a Alco C-424 moving some old rail equipment.
Street running can be a PITA for rail crews.
Search for ' Morristown and Erie'

James,
I started this morning. Its a mess. I fixed the track its now fully bi-directional. Looks like relaying will be the fastest way to fix.
MM

[kris120]

OK, then the solution for redundant links (or supernumerous - I don't know, what you say correctly in english) may be the following:

Place the unnecessary links on a piece of extra, separated short track (1-2m is enough).
You even may collect unnecessary links on this peace, if you have a bunch of signals with too many links.
This should avoid the communication problems of overtaking links.
I have tested this several times with swiss signals from the route "SBB1 Pfaeffikon-Landquart" by simtrain, which use modified Kuju-scripts.

The only pitty I see may be which link to choose to place on this extra peace of track.
I would use Link 1 for a way straight ahead without reduced speed. For the others it depends on the signal.
You need to test this, but don't use freeroam scenarios.
You need short standard scenarios where AI-traffic crosses the way of the player-loco or overtakes it.

Good luck

Kris