New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

[Joshuaharkness]

If only you were using Stevens Pass for those swamps... One other minor thing that I noticed is that some of your 2D tree asset blocks all share the same height, one is visible in your screenshot. It may just be me, but I'm not getting much of that wooded Orange County feeling, the woods seem to sparse to me, perhaps if you add some "Misc Large 4" trees, which look a lot like the sugar maples that cover this area, you'll get the fully authentic look.

[minerman146]

Frankly, its much more interesting when you ask why first and then offer your sage advice. But, I will work with what your doing here. You say you have 7 years of route building experience. You likely have been on the Bergen for about 2 years or so. And, I have been using the same combination of trees from Suffern West for the past 9 months. You cant miss the trees, as there are about 60 square miles of them between Washingtonville and Suffern. Last, you may also recall that I pulled the maples out when I reworked this part of the route.

I would think that an intelligent young man, like yourself, has the ability to deduce why these trees, with varying density, were used to convey this place.

And ya didn't even post a nice screen shot of your ride for me!

[minerman146]

The fps problem is worked out, it was more than just the Coppice, but you really need to know what your doing to keep both the look and FPS under control. It is always a work in progress. You can't expect thousands of people to have a top of the line machine when you publish to workshop. So, its good to be conscious of framerate.

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The FPS is a real 15 on my machine, I have another program to check FPS as the TS framerate indicator stops at 15.

If anyone else reports an issue with FPS ... I will post an update with a hotfix.

[PennCentral670]

Sorry for the delay, my first run on the Moodna fully.

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[Joshuaharkness]

Firstly, let me tell you how long I've been with your route; I've been running your route since it was first released, though I never liked the original work you did west of Suffern, which eventually made me give up on the route and caused me to miss the excellent work you were doing down in 'Jersey, I got back to running your route about a year and a half ago.

As to why you removed the maples, I believe you are thinking of the 3D trees west of Suffern that were causing performance issues? I'm talking about the 2D trees, very simple models that have hardly any FPS reduction, the model I use on my route are the "Misc Large 4", which give a better look than the trees that are actually labeled as maples.

*And as for the screenshots, I don't take screenshots unless I need to, or am really enjoying myself, I wouldn't call getting 11FPS at 55MPH 'joy', so I didn't get shots near the swamps, I only took shots near the Moodna, which I have to compliment you on, looks pretty close to the real thing.

[minerman146]

Firstly, let me tell you how long I've been with your route; I've been running your route since it was first released, though I never liked the original work you did west of Suffern, which eventually made me give up on the route and caused me to miss the excellent work you were doing down in 'Jersey, I got back to running your route about a year and a half ago.

As to why you removed the maples, I believe you are thinking of the 3D trees west of Suffern that were causing performance issues? I'm talking about the 2D trees, very simple models that have hardly any FPS reduction, the model I use on my route are the "Misc Large 4", which give a better look than the trees that are actually labeled as maples.

*And as for the screenshots, I don't take screenshots unless I need to, or am really enjoying myself, I wouldn't call getting 11FPS at 55MPH 'joy', so I didn't get shots near the swamps, I only took shots near the Moodna, which I have to compliment you on, looks pretty close to the real thing.

Your wrong Josh. This like, so many of your conversations does not serve me any useful purpose. It's because I don't care about what you have to say.

[Joshuaharkness]

Whoa, why are you being so disrespectful? I'm merely trying to offer you a little help here. Why can't you just take a little constructive criticism and advice like a normal person? Let's also not forget that when I've offered you advice in the past, I haven't been rude to you, unlike you have been towards me when you've 'offered advice', by that I mean edited my route to “teach” me how to do certain aspect of route building without asking me. Are you afraid the Bergen has competition now? It does not, but that attitude is certainly going to put a dent in the popularity of your route. What happened to that fun father-son made route that I knew so well and since when have it's creators turned into such jerks?

[PennCentral670]

Whoa Whoa! Josh, you've have been criticizing my route as well not only Minerman's. Not everything has to be super accurate when it comes to route building you got to let the developer do what he/she knows best. It's ok to give some tips and advice at some points but don't criticize other people's work saying "looks nothing like it" or "I've seen this before, it's not accurate enough." just because they're missing small features. DTG isn't even accurate either but I'm happy. You've got to think that these routes like the Bergen and Beacon are not made for you, they're for everyone to enjoy and as long the developers put their best in, people will enjoy. Not by having every specific detail you know. Some people might not know those details. But anyways, don't criticize and enjoy people's work, not everyone has to be like you.

[buzz456]

Whoa, why are you being so disrespectful? I'm merely trying to offer you a little help here. Why can't you just take a little constructive criticism and advice like a normal person? Let's also not forget that when I've offered you advice in the past, I haven't been rude to you, unlike you have been towards me when you've 'offered advice', by that I mean edited my route to “teach” me how to do certain aspect of route building without asking me. Are you afraid the Bergen has competition now? It does not, but that attitude is certainly going to put a dent in the popularity of your route. What happened to that fun father-son made route that I knew so well and since when have it's creators turned into such jerks?

Dude you need to take a little time to ask yourself if you are so much smarter or whatever you think you are to behave like this? You my friend are not superior to anyone else on here and need to treat others with respect not a condescending attitude. Please take a little time to think about your attitude.

[minerman146]

Whoa, why are you being so disrespectful? I'm merely trying to offer you a little help here. Why can't you just take a little constructive criticism and advice like a normal person? Let's also not forget that when I've offered you advice in the past, I haven't been rude to you, unlike you have been towards me when you've 'offered advice', by that I mean edited my route to “teach” me how to do certain aspect of route building without asking me. Are you afraid the Bergen has competition now? It does not, but that attitude is certainly going to put a dent in the popularity of your route. What happened to that fun father-son made route that I knew so well and since when have it's creators turned into such jerks?

I am here to talk about the Bergen, it's what I do. I build and I write about it.
This stuff, Its crazy talk.

And you crossed the line you were asked not to previously.

[Joshuaharkness]

Buzz, how the hell is constructive criticism more disrespectful than saying "This like, so many of your conversations does not serve me any useful purpose. It's because I don't care about what you have to say."? Here I thought you guys were the nice community who treated eachother like equals, from what I've seen on here lately, that can't be any further from the truth.

[minerman146]

I gotta say... Penn is VERY commendable for speaking up.

PennCentral670: you sir, absolutely get what people are doing here on RWA. Lets go to the quote:

You've got to think that these routes like the Bergen and Beacon are not made for you, they're for everyone to enjoy and as long the developers put their best in, people will enjoy.

they're for everyone to enjoy and as long the developers put their best in, people will enjoy

That's it in a nutshell.

[buzz456]

Buzz, how the hell is constructive criticism more disrespectful than saying "This like, so many of your conversations does not serve me any useful purpose. It's because I don't care about what you have to say."? Here I thought you guys were the nice community who treated eachother like equals, from what I've seen on here lately, that can't be any further from the truth.

One more goofy comment from you and you won't be here anymore. You are now acting like several other loons who have been here and are now gone. Please get a clue about adult behavior. We are not here to indulge juvenile behavior.

[Joshuaharkness]

Fine then, I'll shut up, but I can't say I agree with you. I don't see why no one here is willing to act like an adult and agree to disagree for once.