Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby philmoberg » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:01 am

GERUNIMO625 wrote:... I really wanted to find a way to make the gallery diner/lounge car, but its hard to find pictures of both sides, I'm not sure if they were symmetrical. Videos I've found suggest they looked nothing like whats pictured here !*don-know!* ...

What I wouldn't give to pick the brain of the gentleman you worked with. Ah well, guess I was born into the wrong generation. *!rolleyes!* ...


It's almost certain they weren't symmetrical. While they layout of dining cars was pretty well standardized by the beginning of the heavyweight era, the details were another matter. The model in your photo is pretty much what I remember from the few times I saw it. This is the kitchen side of the car, which is easily spotted by the high sills on the windows adjacent to the pantry door. Typically, by the height of the streamline era, the aisle side would have a pantry door opposite or nearly opposite it's counterpart on the kitchen side. Inboard from that would be, again typically, three or four full-size windows at the same level as those in the dining area. I remember these in this car, but I don't remember how many there were.

I suspect the C&NW's car was a sister to those used on the UP, given that C&NW participated in the same equipment pool along with the SP and the Wabash. The two photos, below, of a model of the rebuilt example currently in UP's office car fleet, may be helpful. I don't know who took the photos, only that they're not mine.

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Building a model from scratch would be a bit of a job. Alternatively, it might be possible to do what C&NW did by taking an existing car and adding a child object to raise the roofline. At least it wouldn't involve bending and welding metal ... :D

The C&NW guy I worked with was on the staff of one of the consultants we hired, and later went to the Reading, where he set up the pull-pull operation that company and in its later days of passenger service. While this particular contract resulted in the purchase of the M-4 electric multiple units, his contributions to he job ultimately laid the foundation for push-pull operation on the MTA's commuter railroad properties. PM me if you have any questions about this, and I'll be happy to share what he told me about Chicago operations.

buzz456 wrote:http://www.trainweb.org/ultradomes/others/cars1.html
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I'd completely forgotten about this one, Buzz. I saw it once, the first time I rode the Flambeau 400 to Green Bay, back when the train still ran to Rhinelander and Ashland. That equipment was still quite new at the time, and I wondered what new marvels there might be in the way of modern passenger trains. It took a bit longer than I'd expected to begin to see that question answered. *!!wink!!*
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby buzz456 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:54 am

I bookmarked several of these pages as I was poking around. I'll go back and see if I can find a picture of the other side.
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:57 pm

Howdy Guys!
I hope everyone was able to enjoy their July 4th!

I really appreciate all the information you gents have given me! It was a BIG help, the only downside was I went further down the rabbit hole then I ever intended to go with this project. *!greengrin!*
Here is some work I've done thus far:
The CNW "700 series" cars, unbeknownst to me were specifically for intercity use and delivered in 1958 prior to cabcars. How many were produced, I have no clue, and very few pictures of them exist in non-Amtrak livery or of the interiors.
As for the diner cars, I will attempt (at a later date) to make child objects for some of our existing lightweight cars so as to give them the false roof that the CNW created. In the mean time enjoy these shots of the intercity passenger cars, lounge car, and interior.
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As for the interiors I'm not paticularly happy with the outcome but I did manage to remove the luggage rack and roof shelving.
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Still a work in progress but maybe soon we can enjoy some 400 trains!
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby PNWR1854 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:37 pm

Love it!
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:34 pm

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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:06 am

I know Buzz, I know *!greengrin!*
One of these days.
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:46 pm

Humble Beginnings...
Honestly, I have no idea what I'm doing with Blender. Up until now its been easy street, since I chose to use multiple textures things have gotten alittle complicated. **!!bang!!**
I've managed to get that to work, but the car body has something called "Shadow Acne" or atleast I believe thats what its called. !*don-know!*
Really out of my element and learning on the fly, but progress has been made.
Enjoy!
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby buzz456 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:35 pm

Shadow Acne EEk!
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:50 pm

Ok seriously this time, I'M DONE!
Well, atleast with this railroad. I am hopefully getting some help with the shadows for the diner car, once that is done I promise I'll release them!

Diner car is done minus shadows:
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Pack will include (from left to right), Cabcar, Commuter 4 window Coach, Commuter 6 window Coach, Intercity Coach, Intercity First Class Lounge, Intercity Diner Car.
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby buzz456 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:14 pm

You talking about the shadow under the car?
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:31 am

buzz456 wrote:You talking about the shadow under the car?


I wish I was, that would be a much easier fix.
No, I'm referring to the weird 'zebra strips' on the side of the car itself.
Cnwfan offered to take a look, it sounds like he knows what he's talking about (certainly more the I do), so here's hoping. !!*ok*!!
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby PNWR1854 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:15 am

**!!bow!!** **!!bow!!** *!!thnx!!*
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:51 pm

Your welcome, but don't thank me until you load up the game and they work. *!greengrin!*

By the way, did you ever get the Milwaukee cars to work?
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby PNWR1854 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:01 pm

not the cab car !*don-know!*
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Re: Chicago Commuter Cab Car Repaint(s)

Unread postby GERUNIMO625 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:32 pm

Howdy Folks,
Been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out the shadow problem. **!!bang!!**
So for now I took a break from that and worked on a few other things, namely the CNW Tavern/Tap Lounge car. So now when your going 400 hundred miles in 400 minutes you can do it plastered! !*cheers*!
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Also made a slight rework to the MILW cars; primarily, working marker lights which can be turned on/off by pressing 'J'. The marker lights have two other lenses on them, which displayed green to the side and front (direction of travel), I am unable to get these to work. If anyone knows how to add further lights and link them to a key command I'd be grateful if you can tell me how, or point me in the right direction. I know it involves scripting, but how to accomplish that eludes me. !*don-know!*
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Take care!
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