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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby buzz456 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:53 pm

jpetersjr wrote:
nsl714 wrote:And of course there are the beautiful North Shore Interurban cars, in both standard green and "Silverliner" paint schemes.

http://www.davesrailpix.com/cnsm/htm/cnsm381.htm
http://www.davesrailpix.com/cnsm/htm/cnsm207.htm

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Can you get any pictures and blueprints for any of these cars. As well as sounds if possible. I might try one of these as a learning project for building locomotives for Railworks. I would need blueprints, and as many photo's as possible for these.


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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:49 pm

jpetersjr wrote:
nsl714 wrote:Can you get any pictures and blueprints for any of these cars. As well as sounds if possible. I might try one of these as a learning project for building locomotives for Railworks. I would need blueprints, and as many photo's as possible for these.


First of all, thank you for your interest in wanting to build some cars. I have plans for pretty much all of the North Shore's rolling stock. The above mentioned website, (davesrailpix), is an invaluable resource for photos, as is this site: http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexcns.htm

I can provide plans for most rolling stock, including Merchandise Despatch cars and freight locomotives, and can clarify on what was still surviving and in service, and the appropriate details such as the livery that each car carried at a certain time frame. I can also write pages of information on quirks, characteristics, and subtle differences that make each series the largely homogenized North Shore MU fleet unique.

As for sounds, I find that the sounds carried by Richard Scott's London Underground Standard stock to be a remarkably close match to North Shore car sounds.

Let me know if you are indeed serious, and I can email you all the plans I have.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:29 am

Been a few weeks, but I'm still here, slowly plodding away. College finals hit last week, so that's why not much progress has been made. But some has been done....

Downeys/Great Lakes has been fleshed out a bit.

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And some adjustment to alignments at South Upton and North Chicago have been made.

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And finally tonight, about 7 miles of track has been blazed south to Briergate, bringing total trackage to about 20 miles, (not counting the parallel C&NW). Only 90 miles to go!

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So that's about it. Someone has been found who is willing to construct some rolling stock/scenery items, as well as an individual who wants to do scenery, so both can be looked forward to sometime in the future. As for me, I believe I'm going to push South toward Chicago for now, and try to finish the Skokie Valley Route. The North Chicago area will need extensive work yet as well for the reasons from a few posts above.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby NickelPlate765 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:50 pm

Sweeeet!! !*brav*!



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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:23 am

And in the past 2 days, I got even further! Chicago to be exact. Howard Street was the northern city limits of Chicago, (might still be too). The North Shore formally joined the ROW of the CTA at this point, as the train below is doing.

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This interlocking was rather complicated to get aligned correctly, as the North Shore comes up a hill on a curve, and goes through the maze of double slip switches. The Evanston CTA line goes to the right and uphill at the same time. This photo is of the current (and 3rd, and hopefully last!) try at the junction immediately north of the station.

So as of now, the entirety of the Skokie Valley Line, from Howard St. to North Chicago is at least laid out. The track between South Upton and Howard Street is just that...track. I simply pushed the two track mainline south and got the elevation profile down.

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The next step I want to do is divide my time between adding platforms/sidings/roads along the Skokie Valley, and running track south toward downtown Chicago, with the occasional look toward fleshing out North Chicago. It's clear at this point to me that that focus initially shall be on the south half of the railroad.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:11 pm

Oh my, it has been a while. Seems like work on the route picks up only on school breaks. No matter, the route still exists, and I have been doing some work, like that shown below...

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I would show the other stations, but the whole 17 miles looks exactly like that shot above. !*roll-laugh*! (That's Sheridan Elms for the North Shore savvy.)

I am currently working up courage to start trackage south of Howard Street on the CTA, that may start next week. I'm also considering releasing the bit of route once all the platforms and sidings are in on the Skokie Valley bit, for those who may want to take a spin through the green desert.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby Noel » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:02 pm

Where did you get the model of the street car? Or did you make it? !!*ok*!!
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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:20 pm

The Interurban car was an old MSTS model from about 2005 that was converted to Railsimulator/Railworks a few years ago by Jim "Sniper" Ward. I managed to nab a copy whenever he did it. it uses physics/cab/sounds from the German DB101, but it looks the part. I uploaded it to trainsim.com in November at Jim's urging. I meant to upload it here as well, but I guess I never got around to it. I shall get on that when I get a free moment.

As it is a quite dated model, I am currently working with someone to get a more accurate/detailed model built for Railworks. Until then, this does just fine for my interpretation of the railroad. :D

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:38 am

Small update. I started laying track south on the L, and reached the point where it goes from an Embankment to Elevated structure at Wilson Ave. After much deliberation, I have decided to use the wooden trestle Scalerail for the structure. Switches and crossovers are going to look a bit odd, (it's either no frogs or ballasted switches), but that is a compromise I'm willing to make.

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And more progress has been made. I decided to take the leap and lay the rest of Elevated track. The entire length of the CTA used by the North Shore is now in place.

I've for all intents and purposes completed Howard Street, with the extensive-ish yard and return loop. for North-South L trains.

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Continuing South on an embankment for about 5 miles, (with a lot of tangent track for fast running), Wilson Ave is reached, where trains start running over the elevated structure. The train in the picture is coming off a separate structure built in the late 1950's for North Shore trains at Wilson Ave to force inbound North Shore passengers alighting at Wilson to pay the CTA fare. To the left a track will continue down a ramp to an interchange with the Milwaukee Road. Until 1973, CTA had a small freight business with local customers between Wilson and Howard. I fully intend to model it here, (since the route is ca. 1962).

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Continuing south the trains encounter various S-curves and kinks in the track where the initial builders attempted to find the cheapest ROW, (at the expense of speed). This is Sheridan, a few blocks North of the Addison stop, where passengers could, (and still can), alight for Wrigley Field and Cubs baseball games.

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A bit further south of Addison is Belmont, where the Ravenswood line splits off to the north and west. And south of Belmont a lot of blocks is the point where the State Street subway line goes underground. We however continue downtown to the Loop. the train has just passed over the interlocking of Tower 18 heading south. Tower 18 was once billed as the busiest rail intersection in the world, seeing a train every couple of seconds at it's peak. The "North Shore" train will go around the west and south legs of the Loop, before heading south to Roosevelt Road where it terminates.

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After leaving the Loop at Tower 12, one more reverse curve is encountered before the Roosevelt Road Station, about 10 blocks further south. The track to the upper left goes to a stub end terminal that at this point is used as a Baggage Terminal for North Shore trains.

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And that's about it for now. In my current spurt of work, I hope to flesh out the L and surrounding area with sidings and platforms. And I have decided that under the deck, I shall be using the PON-CM elevated structure. Then attention may be made to Wisconsin. Now that I've reached one end of the line, I shall have to go for the other!

In parting, a map of everything. I would judge it at about 45 miles or so, give or take.

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(Sharp eyed viewers may notice that the rolling stock is very British. I'm still looking for someone to construct appropriate rolling stock. I can supply plans and copious amounts of reference photos. Just saying...)
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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby CSX2057 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:40 am

Where's my house? !*roll-laugh*! im jk. Very nice! !!*ok*!!
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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:49 pm

Small update. I learned last week that my track spacing was too small, (I had it set at 4 meters, that's a bit below AAR standards.), and trains were sideswiping on the 90 degree turns on the L. So I've in effect relaid the entire railroad from end to end at a better spacing. Track is laid from North Chicago to Roosevelt Road, with a few sidings here and there to add, and a mess of North Chicago Industrial sidings. In the next few days I shall be going north, with the aim to hit Milwaukee within a week. After I reach Milwaukee, the Shore Line to Highwood has to be laid, as well as various steam railroads as they encounter the North Shore. Then, in effect, all the track is laid. Attention can be made to speed limits and all the other finicky track settings. I judge trackwork to be about 50% done.

I have also been informed that scenery shall begin this coming week from my partner in the grounds department. So the route won't look so much like a green desert anymore! And I'm still soliciting for rolling stock. I have the plans if anyone has the ability... ;)

No pictures this time, the relaid track looks decidedly like it did before. !*roll-laugh*!

Zach

PS. Have a film of the North Shore Line found on youtube.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby CSX2057 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:13 am

That track looks very interesting. Whats the name of the track?
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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby nsl714 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:45 am

The track is Scalerail from 3Dtrains. In particular the elevated system uses the Open Deck track. I will admit that while it looks pretty good, there are a few drawbacks. There are no switch point/frog shapes, so I have to bodge it with the variations of open deck track, as well as the tieless rail in some places. And the 4 track mainline seems to be hard on my framerates. I however believe the good outweighs these points, and for the sake of aesthetics I can overlook them.

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Re: Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railway

Unread postby buzz456 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:50 am

I was always told that scale rail in of itself did not affect frame rates.
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