New York Division-Bergen Line

[minerman146]

Jalsina - for Munich I use 370 items: Bridges for Highways of 9 different types. The 8 lane is used to make parking garages. I use 90% of the houses 80% factories, the roads, fencing, Office Buildings, Industrial Buildings and in a few places invisible platforms. The railway bridges are from the European Asset Pack and the American Pack. In particular I heavily use a Munich retaining wall I use to define roads and parking lots. This is heavily used on the route. I can see the curbs missing from your screenshots.

Without the Munich you are missing the majority of highway bridging, interstates, 70% of the houses, some factories, some water and the curbs.

Building in TS2016, the learning curve was over 6 months and I was route building 5 days a week. Super Elevation is an art form. Make sure you use SRTM for the elevations of anything you build.

You cant go wrong in Ohio for trains !

[ex-railwayman]

What are you really using from the Augsburg route? I ask because I just ran again (a few minutes ago), along a part of Bergen and I see it very populated. The only I miss are some bridges (you see an overhead road with no bridge), but not all. I also miss water in certain rivers and below a structure bridge that certainly should have a water texture.
I mean, the route like I see it, is fairly playable.

You are missing a lot of items still, the route is playable as you say, but, if you have everything then it is so much better. Don't forget that there will be a sale on Steam at the end of this month for Halloween, and one in November for Thanksgiving, and Christmas, of course, so, you could obtain the items that you are missing for possibly half the usual price, and you can see what other freeware routes have been created using the Munich-Augsburg DLC layout as well.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.

[minerman146]

Minerman146 and me, the elder went down the Main and backup on the Bergen today. It was a beautiful sunny day in Hoboken. I grabbed a few shots.
This one is of HX Draw taken on the Bergen line going west, we are on the straight between the 2 curves before HX. If you have the route, you know the place. Here is the real live version taken by me.

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[jalsina]

Jalsina - for Munich I use 370 items: Bridges for Highways of 9 different types. The 8 lane is used to make parking garages. I use 90% of the houses 80% factories, the roads, fencing, Office Buildings, Industrial Buildings and in a few places invisible platforms. The railway bridges are from the European Asset Pack and the American Pack. In particular I heavily use a Munich retaining wall I use to define roads and parking lots. This is heavily used on the route. I can see the curbs missing from your screenshots.

Without the Munich you are missing the majority of highway bridging, interstates, 70% of the houses, some factories, some water and the curbs.

Building in TS2016, the learning curve was over 6 months and I was route building 5 days a week. Super Elevation is an art form. Make sure you use SRTM for the elevations of anything you build.

You cant go wrong in Ohio for trains !

Lets put it this way. This a New Jersey route with a German accent

[minerman146]

Jalsina - you would be surprised how well the German assets fit on the Bergen. You would also be amazed to see how many German houses are on the route too. Nothing beats the German 'flavor' we have!

[minerman146]

Here is a group of shots from a ride I took last night on the Bergen County Line

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The images are a progression of my drive from Waldwick to.....

[OpenRailer90]

The shots with the NJT equipment look great. I don't think the Comet IVs are numbered in the 5500 series upward from 5535, but they can serve as a placeholder for Comet IIMs. Will you implement the NJCL ATC cab signalling on this line?

[minerman146]

The shots with the NJT equipment look great. I don't think the Comet IVs are numbered in the 5500 series upward from 5535, but they can serve as a placeholder for Comet IIMs. Will you implement the NJCL ATC cab signalling on this line?

I haven't done any research on in cab signaling or ATC for the Bergen County Line prior to your query. Based on some research I have just completed. I see nothing specific to indicate that ATC had been deployed on the Bergen Line. If you have any research that indicate it has on West of Hudson Service I would like to see it.

I got this statement from a wiki here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-North_Railroad#Signaling_and_Safety_Appliances "Signaling and Safety Appliances
The Hudson, Harlem and New Haven lines and the New Canaan branch and all passenger rolling stock is equipped with cab signalling, which displays the appropriate block signal in the engineer’s cab. All rolling stock is equipped with Automatic Train Control (ATC), which enforces the speed dictated by the cab signal by a penalty brake application should the engineer fail to obey it. There are no intermediate wayside signals between interlockings: operation is solely by cab signal. Wayside signals remain at interlockings"

I love cool suggestions so with that said. If anyone has documention on ATC implementation from Hoboken to Port Jervis for the Bergen County and Port Jervis Lines - please reach out to me on this thread. I need proof that it exists and details where those sensors need to go. In addition, if any one knows IF and HOW ATC can be implemented on Sherman Hill Track, please post here with information.

Lastly, my apologies. This route was designed to reflect pre-1980 operations and my singals are NOT modern, and my track speed is from 1974. So given I have installed Secuacus JCT and Station as a nod to all you NJT guys out there, I am in need for some knowledge. So if you can help me out I will try and then succeed in hooking you up with the good stuff!

RESEARCH UPDATE
http://www.railway-technology.com/news/newsalstom-signaling-install-new-cab-signal-system-port-jervis-line
The signaling is expected to be installed by December 2015. So what does this ATC look like in Train simulator?

[minerman146]

The shots with the NJT equipment look great. I don't think the Comet IVs are numbered in the 5500 series upward from 5535, but they can serve as a placeholder for Comet IIMs. Will you implement the NJCL ATC cab signalling on this line?

OpenRailer: ACT appears to be either route or track based. If you have any information on how to implement ATC please let me know. You sound very well informed on NJT Practices. I would like to hear more.

I cant implement ATC until I know if its possible on Sherman HIll and how to do the installation.

Thanks - Minerman146

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[FanRailer]

User "cActUsjUiCe", who created and signalled the New Haven - Boston Workshop route may be able to help you out with the cab signalling on your route.

[minerman146]

User "cActUsjUiCe", who created and signalled the New Haven - Boston Workshop route may be able to help you out with the cab signalling on your route.

Thanks FanRailer - I have worked with cActUsjUiCe before. That man knows how to lay track! I reached out to him on Steam.

I think that In Cab Signaling is route specific - I should know all of this by now with all the forum reading I have done. Now in a pinch, I draw a blank. I hope that Openrailer stops by with some ideas.

[krellnut]

Have run the route now, excellent work. I've noticed there are quite alot of blocked frogs on crossovers. If your interested in fixing them, here's how; select the split tool and run the yellow arrow along the length of the crossover. If you can see the red triangle in the middle, split it there. If you don't see an triangle, the arrow should stick somewhere in the middle. Once split, more than likely you 'll see one track on either side of the split that is short. Click on it, delete it, then click the undo button. Weld the track together and the frogs will be repaired. Let me know if it works for you.

[minerman146]

Have run the route now, excellent work. I've noticed there are quite alot of blocked frogs on crossovers. If your interested in fixing them, here's how; select the split tool and run the yellow arrow along the length of the crossover. If you can see the red triangle in the middle, split it there. If you don't see an triangle, the arrow should stick somewhere in the middle. Once split, more than likely you 'll see one track on either side of the split that is short. Click on it, delete it, then click the undo button. Weld the track together and the frogs will be repaired. Let me know if it works for you.

Krellnut - "Blocked Frogs"? At first I thought you meant cross overs without frogs. What is the nature of a Blocked Frog - a split/seam in the rail were the switches meet? Did you see this problem in Croxton or Passaic Junction? I will get right on this, I need to understand what I am looking for.

What is the impact of this crossover issue?

Thank you very much for taking the time to make me aware of this problem. I hope it doesn't negatively impact your impression of the Bergen Line.

Minerman.

*EDITED* I did some research on "broken frog" this is - where the switch rail intersects with line rail and creates the frog and guardrail. So, the problem is that these switches do not have their frogs are guards. This I have fixed before - by relaying the main track to ensure no breaks or seams exist when creating the switch.

[krellnut]

This is what blocked frogs look like. There is no impact driving through them, just visual.

[minerman146]

This is what blocked frogs look like. There is no impact driving through them, just visual.

I so know that problem and its good and bad. The bad part is that its caused by changes in track elevation. I put switches on grades and when I lay additional track beyond and then use the smooth tool it can 'jack up" one side of the switch. I have to go under the switch and fix the loft on the crossover. What you see in your image is a .3 or .4 meter difference in height. I will get on this. The good part is that I am proud of showing down to 1 foot differences in ground/track height that I find. You will note that some sidings go way down from the main line. I measure it .. if it goes way down I put it there. My track loft is the same thing. From Suffern to Croxton you would be hard pressed to find a 1/2 mile of flat track. On the real line it goes up and down and so every dip and bump - goes in. I get into trouble with my switches because of this, Ridgewood Junction is a good example.

Some things in this game are just not realistic - I try to make up for that it what I can make realistic!

So what are you liking the most on the Bergen and what one thing do you think needs some work?

Thank you Krellnut!