Ho-Ho-Kus now has super-el on a .9 % grade ,the station got some extra detail. All this to fix signals!
New York Division-Bergen Line
Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:41 pm
I have to show this off. My camera was set to "gorgeous".
Ho-Ho-Kus now has super-el on a .9 % grade ,the station got some extra detail. All this to fix signals!
Ho-Ho-Kus now has super-el on a .9 % grade ,the station got some extra detail. All this to fix signals!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by _o_OOOO_oo-Kanawha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:47 am
Nice pics, Minerman.
Nice weather too, the girls are out in skirts and blouses.
Nice weather too, the girls are out in skirts and blouses.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:06 pm
ET44C4 wrote:http://www.rail-videos.net/video/view.php?id=7552 Ho Ho Kus
When the improved Ho-Ho-Kus is released, do compare this video to what you see in game.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:48 pm
Finally Signal Headway!
To get diverging:
1. I must set divergence on the signal
2. The speed of the divergence must be set
3. The speed must be equal to the cross over speed AND be lower than the prevailing speed.
Now, this is EXACTLY why I set the speed in the signals in the first place. While I may have reinvented the wheel, much good came out of this. New, clean, perfect track and signals were installed. All extraneous and redundant speed signs were removed and only speed warning and speed resume signs were installed.
In my testing I confirm I get the following signals now through Waldwick and Ridgewood: Diverging Clear, Approach Limited, Approach, Approach Restricting and Diverging Approach Limited. And this behavior is described in the Sherman Hill Manual. On the NJCL tri-lights I am getting 281a Cab speed, (its a flashing green on clear) it states to reduce speed to not exceed 60mph (this makes sense, the max track speed after Glen Rock West is 60.
I am calling the divergence issue almost resolved. Please ride the route from either the BCL or Main line and go to Allendale and test my work after the update. If it passes muster we will call this done. Going forward I will ensure that all divergent signals are set in the fashion as shown below.
Last shot shows divergence indicated out of Waldwick Yard (pointing to track 1) with the settings and train in view.
To get diverging:
1. I must set divergence on the signal
2. The speed of the divergence must be set
3. The speed must be equal to the cross over speed AND be lower than the prevailing speed.
Now, this is EXACTLY why I set the speed in the signals in the first place. While I may have reinvented the wheel, much good came out of this. New, clean, perfect track and signals were installed. All extraneous and redundant speed signs were removed and only speed warning and speed resume signs were installed.
In my testing I confirm I get the following signals now through Waldwick and Ridgewood: Diverging Clear, Approach Limited, Approach, Approach Restricting and Diverging Approach Limited. And this behavior is described in the Sherman Hill Manual. On the NJCL tri-lights I am getting 281a Cab speed, (its a flashing green on clear) it states to reduce speed to not exceed 60mph (this makes sense, the max track speed after Glen Rock West is 60.
I am calling the divergence issue almost resolved. Please ride the route from either the BCL or Main line and go to Allendale and test my work after the update. If it passes muster we will call this done. Going forward I will ensure that all divergent signals are set in the fashion as shown below.
Last shot shows divergence indicated out of Waldwick Yard (pointing to track 1) with the settings and train in view.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:02 am
Route Update:
The Bergen is being finalized for release tomorrow. I wish it was final-final, but this will wrap up the work that has been done over the last three weeks.
Recap:
-Track and Signal Replacement from Allendale to Ridgewood and Ridgewood to Fairlawn.
-WJ and WC interlocking have been completely replaced and signaled. They are smooth, they are accurate and they are awesome.
-Super Elevation: All Curves are super-elevated form Allendale to Ridgewood. On the Bergen County Line: SE starts just east of the BCL marker. It was too risky to try to SE those curves into WJ.
Remember, the route was initially built without SE, it has been retrofitted and its near impossible to line up two straight tracks that oppose each other.
-Waldwick Yard: Completely Removed and rebuilt to eliminate signal errors, but more importantly to set it LOWER then the main line track. (This was bugging me for years) Don't forget, we have a Wye to turn around all your pre 1974 E8s for the return trip to Hoboken. *Someday, I hope, someone will step up and build E8s and Stillwell coaches for the Bergen ( I have a dream )
-New Platforms were installed at Glen Rock - Borough Hall and Ho-Ho-Kus. Waldwick was replaced during construction.
-Speed Signs: all speed signs have been removed. Where necessary, speed warning and speed resume signs have been placed either where they exist or as a visual queue to the Engineer.
-Signal Speeds: Signals that protect interlocking and divergence have the divergence check box checked and the lower speed entered. (this is the only way to make the signal have divergence)
Signals were rigorously tested in both directions in free roam. Additional testing was done in QD with good result.
-Track Grade: Where practical, all track gradients are accurate to EL Track map of 1976 from Allendale to Glen Rock.
-Signal identifying marks - Work has started to conform signal makers to EL Standard. There are 2 pairs of numbers separated by a hyphen i.e. 23-24 in Waldwick. The first 2 numbers note in miles distance from Jersey City, the first number of the second set denotes miles in tenths and the last number is the track number. *note* as a big fat Easter egg to my EL brothers, I have noted the track on the right going east from Waldwick as track 4, track 2 was removed in the early 1980s when the line was 4 track from Ridge Wood to Suffern. Track 4 disappeared and became track 2. So where you used to see track two its now marked as track four. As you may know, on the Bergen, even numbers go eastbound and odd goes west.
-New Siding, Ridgewood, called: City Siding. Its an MOW siding and its restricted for all Diesel-Electric Locomotives
My attitude towards track speed is the same as the Railroad. Indicated track speed is the maximum you are permitted to go. If this means you have to drag a mile long train through a 25mph interlocking - your going 25 for a while. And one more point, slow down, this isn't Watkins Glenn!
The amount of research done with photographs, imagery and comments on web pages helped me to put this all together. But more importantly is the Prime Source material I use for track rules. When you are on the Bergen, you are, for the most part, running on the Erie Lackawanna rules. And that fact, this is what drives me to build, to reproduce and reverse engineer the New York Division has been a source of immense gratification and pride. (Thanks DAD for all those rides in the cab!). So get out there and enjoy the Bergen Guys - its for you!
Ok, here are this morning's screens shots from roughly 730am Summer time. The point of these pictures is to show you the rich detail I put into both stations. The details are subtle, its when they are all combined that makes the Bergen look like it does.
MM
The Bergen is being finalized for release tomorrow. I wish it was final-final, but this will wrap up the work that has been done over the last three weeks.
Recap:
-Track and Signal Replacement from Allendale to Ridgewood and Ridgewood to Fairlawn.
-WJ and WC interlocking have been completely replaced and signaled. They are smooth, they are accurate and they are awesome.
-Super Elevation: All Curves are super-elevated form Allendale to Ridgewood. On the Bergen County Line: SE starts just east of the BCL marker. It was too risky to try to SE those curves into WJ.
Remember, the route was initially built without SE, it has been retrofitted and its near impossible to line up two straight tracks that oppose each other.
-Waldwick Yard: Completely Removed and rebuilt to eliminate signal errors, but more importantly to set it LOWER then the main line track. (This was bugging me for years) Don't forget, we have a Wye to turn around all your pre 1974 E8s for the return trip to Hoboken. *Someday, I hope, someone will step up and build E8s and Stillwell coaches for the Bergen ( I have a dream )
-New Platforms were installed at Glen Rock - Borough Hall and Ho-Ho-Kus. Waldwick was replaced during construction.
-Speed Signs: all speed signs have been removed. Where necessary, speed warning and speed resume signs have been placed either where they exist or as a visual queue to the Engineer.
-Signal Speeds: Signals that protect interlocking and divergence have the divergence check box checked and the lower speed entered. (this is the only way to make the signal have divergence)
Signals were rigorously tested in both directions in free roam. Additional testing was done in QD with good result.
-Track Grade: Where practical, all track gradients are accurate to EL Track map of 1976 from Allendale to Glen Rock.
-Signal identifying marks - Work has started to conform signal makers to EL Standard. There are 2 pairs of numbers separated by a hyphen i.e. 23-24 in Waldwick. The first 2 numbers note in miles distance from Jersey City, the first number of the second set denotes miles in tenths and the last number is the track number. *note* as a big fat Easter egg to my EL brothers, I have noted the track on the right going east from Waldwick as track 4, track 2 was removed in the early 1980s when the line was 4 track from Ridge Wood to Suffern. Track 4 disappeared and became track 2. So where you used to see track two its now marked as track four. As you may know, on the Bergen, even numbers go eastbound and odd goes west.
-New Siding, Ridgewood, called: City Siding. Its an MOW siding and its restricted for all Diesel-Electric Locomotives
My attitude towards track speed is the same as the Railroad. Indicated track speed is the maximum you are permitted to go. If this means you have to drag a mile long train through a 25mph interlocking - your going 25 for a while. And one more point, slow down, this isn't Watkins Glenn!
The amount of research done with photographs, imagery and comments on web pages helped me to put this all together. But more importantly is the Prime Source material I use for track rules. When you are on the Bergen, you are, for the most part, running on the Erie Lackawanna rules. And that fact, this is what drives me to build, to reproduce and reverse engineer the New York Division has been a source of immense gratification and pride. (Thanks DAD for all those rides in the cab!). So get out there and enjoy the Bergen Guys - its for you!
Ok, here are this morning's screens shots from roughly 730am Summer time. The point of these pictures is to show you the rich detail I put into both stations. The details are subtle, its when they are all combined that makes the Bergen look like it does.
MM
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:37 am
*Route Update*
This morning at 9am Eastern time, the Bergen Line was updated.
Route Update Number 146
New York Division-Bergen Line 9.8.4c: Waldwick Redeux
New Scenery: Waldwick and Ho-Ho-Kus. Waldwick Yard Rebuilt
Fixes:
Signal/Track Speed Correction, Correct Signals and Gantries in Ho-Ho-Kus and Waldwick New Super EL at Ho-Ho-Kus, Waldwick and Allendale. Speed Changes: Curve Eastbound on track 4 from Waldwick is now 55. Update QDs to reflect track changes.
Key Feature: Track Completely replaced from Waldwick, through Glen Rock - Boro Hall, to super-elevate it, remove any track breaks and fix signals.
Secondary Feature: Scenery Rework Allendale to Glen Rock.
So now is the time to drive the Bergen between Allendale and Glen Rock Boro Hall to see all the fixes. Its worth the trip. The curves are amazing. If you liked Waldwick Curve before - its completely accurate now and runs like a dream! Do take pictures!
This morning at 9am Eastern time, the Bergen Line was updated.
Route Update Number 146
New York Division-Bergen Line 9.8.4c: Waldwick Redeux
New Scenery: Waldwick and Ho-Ho-Kus. Waldwick Yard Rebuilt
Fixes:
Signal/Track Speed Correction, Correct Signals and Gantries in Ho-Ho-Kus and Waldwick New Super EL at Ho-Ho-Kus, Waldwick and Allendale. Speed Changes: Curve Eastbound on track 4 from Waldwick is now 55. Update QDs to reflect track changes.
Key Feature: Track Completely replaced from Waldwick, through Glen Rock - Boro Hall, to super-elevate it, remove any track breaks and fix signals.
Secondary Feature: Scenery Rework Allendale to Glen Rock.
So now is the time to drive the Bergen between Allendale and Glen Rock Boro Hall to see all the fixes. Its worth the trip. The curves are amazing. If you liked Waldwick Curve before - its completely accurate now and runs like a dream! Do take pictures!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by NStrains » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:10 pm
MM, these were from the other day. So they don't include whatever was updated today.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:47 pm
NSTrains,
That works! When you get the change - come and see the new stuff
I am going to try to do a live feed at 9pm Eastern - if your interested visit it here:
https://www.twitch.tv/minerman146
I will answer questions and I hope to have some fun.
That works! When you get the change - come and see the new stuff
I am going to try to do a live feed at 9pm Eastern - if your interested visit it here:
https://www.twitch.tv/minerman146
I will answer questions and I hope to have some fun.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by jalsina » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:52 pm
minerman146 wrote:*Route Update*
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So now is the time to drive the Bergen between Allendale and Glen Rock Boro Hall to see all the fixes. Its worth the trip. The curves are amazing. If you liked Waldwick Curve before - its completely accurate now and runs like a dream! Do take pictures!
When you say drive "from Allendale to Glen Rock", how do you do that? How do you set a free roam scenario with those places?
I mean in the editor there are no markers for the route except the Origin and inside the editor you see the markers for New Jersey Coast route. And none of these places is in Quick Drive.
I think you need to make a file with all the markers (or the most important ones) you have in the Bergen route. You do that with a dcsv file in a RouteMarkers folder located in the Assets.
Find attached a sample for the Feather River Canyon Extension I made some time ago. Take a look to it to check the structure. You place such a file/folder under a provider folder like minerman146.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:32 pm
jalsina wrote:minerman146 wrote:*Route Update*
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So now is the time to drive the Bergen between Allendale and Glen Rock Boro Hall to see all the fixes. Its worth the trip. The curves are amazing. If you liked Waldwick Curve before - its completely accurate now and runs like a dream! Do take pictures!
When you say drive "from Allendale to Glen Rock", how do you do that? How do you set a free roam scenario with those places?
I mean in the editor there are no markers for the route except the Origin and inside the editor you see the markers for New Jersey Coast route. And none of these places is in Quick Drive.
I think you need to make a file with all the markers (or the most important ones) you have in the Bergen route. You do that with a dcsv file in a RouteMarkers folder located in the Assets.
Find attached a sample for the Feather River Canyon Extension I made some time ago. Take a look to it to check the structure. You place such a file/folder under a provider folder like minerman146.
I have such a file ! I can post it. Before the file was made I go to F9 and in the map left click and shift at the same time to go to a specific location.
For you, all you need to do is take the QD from Patterson to see the changes. You can also leave from Waldwick or Suffern.
You can make your own free roam by going into editor. Place a train and put a driver in it, save and then click the loco to drive.
Do get on soon, I think you will like the work that has been done.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by jalsina » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:41 pm
It would do much good if you include the markers file in your future updates.
I will try QD from Patterson and back
I will try QD from Patterson and back
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:58 pm
jalsina wrote:It would do much good if you include the markers file in your future updates.
I will try QD from Patterson and back
I have it loaded in Sherman Hill's folder, it is impossible (as far as I know) to upload into workshop. If someone knows how to and can instruct me to get my route markers in - please let me know. And for everyone to understand - prior to April 2014, I never played TS, my son did. Then I started building the Bergen and have been doing nothing but working on the route for the past 2 and a half years. So, there is much I don't know from a player's perspective - or even about the game. All I know ... is the Bergen!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by minerman146 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:04 pm
minerman146 wrote:NSTrains,
That works! When you get the change - come and see the new stuff
I am going to try to do a live feed at 9pm Eastern - if your interested visit it here:
https://www.twitch.tv/minerman146
I will answer questions and I hope to have some fun.
Well I actually drove my route like a player tonight for 1 hour and 20 minutes on my Croxton to Suffern QD. I also, to make it interesting, broadcasted on Twitch with 4 people. It was fun, everything worked, my signals and speeds looked great (thanks Jalsina). And for once, I was not route building. I was enjoying my own work!
In the shot below, my 30 car freight completed the transfer run at Hillburn Yard at the Ford Lead.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line
by NStrains » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:42 am
I watched for a few minutes before I went and played some. Looked like you were doing your best TSW impression! 
Here's the only two shots I got last night before my laptop decided it didn't want me to play anymore.
Here's the only two shots I got last night before my laptop decided it didn't want me to play anymore.
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