New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:22 am

MainLines;
Not as flat as it looks

Good choice on the time of year to see how the land lies and how far I put scenery items. Spring and Winter is why I do this. I am glad you brought the bumpiness of the branch line up. I thought it was flat too. Thanks to the STRM import and the track maps I have, as soon as I found where MM30 was, I was able to correspond the track map to the terrain. The road bed here is all post Civil War (1868) and so they were not big on cuts and the line follows the land. North of Montgomery you can see the fill work they did. Suffice to say, a great deal of time was spent on track elevation and confirming that visually. I can safely say my resolution on the track is less than a meter of variance. So we get this cool hill to drive up and down on. Ex-Railwayman also brought up the track sway and speed limit. At the time of my track map (1983) this was 10MPH. I increased to 20MPH for gameplay but added a high level of track unevenness to discourage speeding and the fact the track is 40 years old!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

Main Lines: 2 things in your last image. 1. The trees didn't draw. I presume this is at or East of Highland Mills, NY. I perfected my maxi-draw (tm) forests at the Moodna. This I may or may not fix. 2. The seam you see (in the upper right) is where I stopped the terrain import before it encroached on my hand formed terrain. After the Bridge over Rt32 in Highland Mills is where we are at 100% STRM imported terrain. I have smoothed some of the transition areas when I see them. This can be corrected.
*Prior to Highland Mills, terrain loft was estimated by using Google Earth and Topo maps to get elevation. It was very crude and time consuming. So the main line from Highland Mills to Hoboken is all hand lofted and basically off 2 to 5 meters or more in places.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby MaineLines » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:50 pm

It might not be exactly the effect you were trying to achieve. but I think the scenery there makes for a very nice image.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:59 pm

MaineLines wrote:It might not be exactly the effect you were trying to achieve. but I think the scenery there makes for a very nice image.


Mainlines - I am sorry, I thought you were showing me a problem area. But thank you, I really started to like working with all the water that is around the route in iOrange County. I hope you enjoy all the lakes, ponds and marshes. Do take more picture - you know I like em! *!greengrin!*
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:23 pm

Wednesday Route Update Post:
Friday Route Update Status
[x} are you kidding?
[ ] yes, some Friday we will update.

Well, it looks like no update. I am sort of taking a little route breather after completing Walden. Rest assured, I went down to Carlton Hill, with my trusty track plan, google earth, transit and level, and so had to rip out 3/4 of the track. After the carnage, and a few gandy-dancer fights that broke out, elevation, grade and position are looking strong! I also got some buildings laid down for Royce Chemical. I said I would do it, and do it I will. For you Google lurkers who check my route out, you know I got a lot of crap to lay out. My Mister Strawman asks " why do you waste your time doing these spurs?" Well, I like spurs, cuz, they are hard to do. And, they go off the beaten path of what people know, and take you into the 'grit' that makes up the 'real' railroad. In this case, well, Carlton Hill is special. Special enough to do it. (and get in big scenery trouble along the way). You see, this is THE original Erie Main, darn track went right though Passaic, NJ. Now, when merger time came in 1960 of 2 great railroads, well, they didn't need that track and the City of Passaic had had enough of rattlers bursting through their town at all hours. So, in 1963, they ripped up the track, swung the bridge open over the Passaic and called it a day. What was left was a mile or so of track, a station and Royce Chemical. The passenger traffic held on for a few more years, and Royce lasted in the 1980s with Conjob. So, since this is off the beaten path, I get to do a time-warp down in old Carlton Hill and bring back the past. And even better, preserve some history for those inclined to seek the "hidden gems of Minerman's Bergen Line" (tm). I hope I don't wreck my mind doing it. So what you get will be the steam powered swing bridge circa 1964, the station circa 1970, and Royce circa 1983. Ill make it blend - trust me. Also, I suspect the skyline for Passaic, NJ and hundreds of houses, trees and all the other stuff that will need to be put in for our mutual enjoyment. Forgive me, and my inclination to drift of course, but I promised an EL employee who hung out at that bridge as a kid in the Summer of 62' a chance to see it again.
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In other news, please check out Rudijagers thread on an Erie-EL 44 tonner he is repainting. I forgot to post on his thread about what its like to see the Erie heralds. For me it evokes another time and place and steam. Grandpa signed on the Erie in 34' and retired out in 74' on the EL ( a day I fondly remember) My Dad and his sisters used their Erie employee pass in the 50's to go to Passaic to shop for school clothes. And to this day, when we refer to this place that is depicted on this simulator its either "the railroad' or "the Erie". I just love how its all still alive in our minds and hearts in my family. And it is very very special, when someone like Rudi, takes the time, and has an interest, where otherwise he would not (he's from out West) and puts his heart into working on a little something for the Bergen. This is the unexpected return I get from this project. The idea of putting a little bit of the Erie in your thoughts keeps it alive. Thank you all.

And in other, other news: Well, this is for you Rudy: The Erie Railroad Harlem Station facility. Look it up. *!greengrin!*

* the EL was truly a very diverse and interesting railroad.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby RudiJaeger » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:13 pm

Wow, thanks for the props Minerman! Yeah, I gotta get back to my roots sometime, but I must say it's been fun doing something a little outside my element, and I've learned a lot too. I'm from an NP family myself, so I can relate to your passion for the Erie; good memories I'm sure. Until I discovered the Bergen, the Erie was just another logo on some rolling stock (the Lackawanna too); but after researching the info you provided, I have even more appreciation of the work you guys are doing to preserve the heritage of these classic roads. For example, just last night I was taking some repaint-screens, when I thought I'd have a look around the pier, and discovered the big "Erie Lackawanna" sign on the terminal building. I'd been to the location before, but never peeked around the corner...

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Thanks again for sharing this wonderful route with our community; it's simply amazing! !*salute*!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby NYWhiskey » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:33 pm

minerman146 wrote:Yeah, I roll like this.


And he roll like that too! *!twisted!* !*cheers*!

We gotta hook up one Saturday after the holidays. !!*ok*!!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 pm

I wander over to Loughrans Saturday afternoons once or twice a month. I like to keep an eye on your bridge on my way there.

For you Bergen tourists: http://www.loughransirishpub.com
Food is pretty good , Guinness is spot on.
It's juat a mile from the Moodna.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:25 am

I thought I would play around with this for fun.
The Erie Railroad Harlem Station facility was located between East 149th and East 150th Street, Exterior Street and Harlem River
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As you can see this is a very small area. The Minimum Curve is 75 feet. I do have a little issue since this is a custom track rule, your version will not have frogs. However, if I use the NJCL yard track and alter the track rule the frogs should show. All I need is a little reassurance it wont blow up the route.
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I think I can replicate this thing. The surrounding scenery is tricky, I have to break out my time machine. And in NYC there always is change in everything. Even more interesting the location of the new Yankee Stadium is behind me in these shots.

Last, I tested the switches with this unit and 50 footers ... not a problem!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby RudiJaeger » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:29 pm

Wow! ..even more history coming to life! Best of luck getting everything functional !*salute*!

Btw; pm sent.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:08 pm

I think a square kilometer or two of scenery should do the trick. to make this side project manageable I will resist the urge to fill in beyond line of sight. There will be dating issues with this build, so I will try to achieve a semblance of the flavor of the place. As it is a freight transfer terminal there will be some structures and trucks and detail. I will leave the period dating to the capable hands here that like to add their own touches to the route to work with. There will be plenty of screenshot opportunity with period 40 foot rolling stock, people and vehicles.

*I was daydreaming a bit about, if I was a developer, you know, one that built all the structures and scenery items. And if I was doing the EL in say, 1971 or 72, I would be highly motivated to work on something to put in for scenarios. That would be to introduce moving tugs and car floats, so you could then switch that traffic in Manhattan (at 28th Street) and Jersey City (Hoboken). Yeah it would be a technical challenge. It would also enhance the traffic experience and would convey more of the scope of operations of the Erie Lackawanna here in the New York metropolitan area. Might as well go to '68 and put the ferries back in too.

The location of 149th street is perfect of my purposes here as it will be a little bubble of scenery on the route - a world of its own. I wont have to worry about contiguous scenery from Hoboken to 28th street for example. I actually was considering it, when research reminded me of the abandoned, elevated West Side Highway (Miller Highway) that was basically condemned in 1973 and was finally demolished in 1982. That would be HUGE project. But I think of this stuff.

I am really looking forward to having a QD that just says "149th Street Transfer".
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:21 pm

Its time once again for the famous and renowned Wednesday Route Update Post:
Friday Route Update Status
[ ] Ho! Ho! Ho!
[x] Then the Grinch thought of something he hadn't before! What if Christmas, he thought, doesn't come from a store. What if Christmas...perhaps...means a little bit more!

Updates are inevitable, so fear not, gentle reader! Work continues in the cerebral plane. Options, details, scale, scope and the minute considerations that transform the imagined into what will be rendered. We have before us a unique opportunity to do what has not been attempted before, a line so small, so compact, so obscure - that it demands to be done. If not to make a point, but to lavish in its uniqueness and obscurity. Can we be any more fortunate? !**duh*!! I don't think we can.

I've been taking it easy this week with the route - preparing for the upcoming holiday - getting some needed sleep and performing my work duties both away and a home. I am glad I am doing so. None the less, I am very excited to continue work on another 'divergence" from the beaten path to take on the Bronx.

If I don't get a chance to write again, Please, all of you, A very Merry Christmas of joy for you and yours!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby buzz456 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:09 pm

More later but a beautiful pic using RW Enhancer.
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