Corona virus stuff

[trev123]

The UK has gone into total lockdown. I think most of you guys are missing the point here as it is not the number of people who have it it is the speed at which it can spread and if left unchecked. One of the many charts that you can find on the internet. https://www.cnbcafrica.com/coronavirus/ ... the-curve/

[ForceGhost]

Yep. Let's spread it, deal with it, and get it over with. At this point, the bird is out of the bag. We are doing more damage to population, our economy, and our society, by locking everything down. Give the people a choice - if you believe (or are afraid) you may be susceptible to the virus, then stay home with no repercussions from your employer, credit, or mortgage companie. But if you are healthy and think you are up to it then soldier on, with the understanding that this is a serious condition and if you contract it you may die. I think most people would choose the latsr.

[marcusboon]

Yep. Let's spread it, deal with it, and get it over with. At this point, the bird is out of the bag. We are doing more damage to population, our economy, and our society, by locking everything down. Give the people a choice - if you believe (or are afraid) you may be susceptible to the virus, then stay home with no repercussions from your employer, credit, or mortgage companie. But if you are healthy and think you are up to it then soldier on, with the understanding that this is a serious condition and if you contract it you may die. I think most people would choose the latsr.

You would have the health system collapse in the meantime?

Marcus

[Schnauzahpowahz]

Wow. Some of the replies, won't point fingers but trying times brings it out doesnt it

And as far as martial law, that was sarcasm, a "point"


I know what its doing to the economy, i work for a small company and i wish to god my stupid boss would shut us down a few weeks, but we're open. Pluggin away, dealing with the dirty f's that come in and out our door not washing their hands, snortin, hacking etc.


Little honey bees spreading pollen. Day in day out.

[philmoberg]

Wow. Some of the replies, won't point fingers but trying times brings it out doesnt it ...

Second that ...

I've had experience with disaster plans since Hurricane Camille. I was a volunteer radio operator at one of the shelters in New Orleans. We had to know the whole plan, or at least most of it, because we were expected to step up and stand in the gap if required. That happened to me: I ran the shelter for several hours while we got a relief for my shelter director, who was stuck out-of-state. I was sixteen.

My last involvement began a bit over a dozen years ago, when the newly-formed DHS was standing up the National Response Framework. I represented a major state agency in the development of a range of national, state and local Emergency Operations Plans. It's an excellent system, but like any system, it has it's weaknesses. The big one is the chief executive in charge of running it, at whatever level. My town activated theirs, ahead of most towns in my state, about three weeks ago. They're running their plan, and it's mostly boring, as good disaster response should be. Contrat this to one of the most notorious examples, when Louisiana and New Orleans failed to run their EOPs during Katrina, with tragic results. It fell to an obscure resident to figure out one element of it and run it on his own. His name was Jabar Gibson, who hotwired a bus - one of several hundred the plan earmarked for evacuation - took up a collection for gas money from his passengers and drove to Houston. The rest of the buses were abandoned to the flood.

I tell Gibson's story because, to they extent it got covered at all, they tried to discredit him. He's one of the resonst I'll bet on citizen-based disaster response every time. The businesses and citizens in my town are another reason. The restaurants and other businesses stepped up and stood up operating procedures to comply with prudent behaviour before the state got the directives out telling them what they should be doing. The citizens - or more personally, my neighbours - have forgotten about the categories the professional talkers have assigned them to and started to look out for each other. The policy types - and I'm familiar with the policy types, having done policy-level work for over two decades - are loath for give the common folks credit for being capable of anything like this, but that hasn't stopped the people in my neighbourhood.

Nonetheless, I'm not inclined to second guess the decision makers - however I may disagree with some of their choices - because when you're on the spot to make these decisions, you quickly become the loneliest guy in the world. There will be time enough to assess what worked and what didn't when this is done. at that point, it would be more productive to fix the problem than it would be to fix the blame.

At to the professional talkers - from both the political and media sectors - there is so much misinformation and disinformation out there it's difficult to know where to begin to refute it. These people are primarily interested in promoting themselves. The blamestormers and name-callers can go back to primary school: they've abandoned any pretense of leadership, and have forfeited the privilege to exercise it.

[ForceGhost]

You would have the health system collapse in the meantime?

Marcus

The health system is about. gnats hair from collapse anyway. When an insurance adjuster gets to decide whether or not a person gets cancer treatment, or pays for testing for COVID but denies treatment for it, that is broken.

[Chacal]

But if you are healthy and think you are up to it then soldier on, with the understanding that this is a serious condition and if you contract it you may die.

This makes as little sense as allowing DUI, with the understanding that this is dangerous and if you crash into another car you may die.

[buzz456]

You would have the health system collapse in the meantime?

Marcus

The health system is about. gnats hair from collapse anyway. When an insurance adjuster gets to decide whether or not a person gets cancer treatment, or pays for testing for COVID but denies treatment for it, that is broken.

Not to start a argument but here all you need to get tested is a note from a doctor. A insurance adjuster never decides who gets treatment. They only decide how it gets paid.

[ForceGhost]

But if you are healthy and think you are up to it then soldier on, with the understanding that this is a serious condition and if you contract it you may die.

This makes as little sense as allowing DUI, with the understanding that this is dangerous and if you crash into another car you may die.

We do the same thing every year with influenza and Rhinovirus, the world doesn't get shut down, civilization doesn't come to an end. So what happens if Coronavirus becomes a yearly event like flu? We going to take a couple of months off and tank the economy every year out of fear?

Buzz, the problem with Coronavirus testing is that you have to be sick with it already to get tested. By then, you have already infected 30 people. Case in point down in Georgia, a guy in Augusta gets flu symptoms. He goes to doctor, tests negative. He starts to feel better goes to church. He's running for office so he goes to the state capital to sign up and run elbows with the state officials. He finally gets tested for CV, its positive. Meanwhile, 11 people at the church he visited come down with CV, one dies. Several politicians at the Capital have now tested positive. If everyone has gone that far before discovery, we pretty much all have it by now and quarantining ths whole country is a waste of time.

[trev123]

1.3 billion people in lockdown in India. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/in ... rzaKY3cPXM

[trev123]

EDITED by admin.......................Please keep the politics off here or we will have to shut it down.

[philmoberg]

Who would you rather listen to? The medical community or MSN? If you listen to the medical community, you'll learn that MSN - and the other professional talkers, for that matter - are leaving a lot out, mainly to suit themselves. The finger-waggers would be better off shutting their mouths and showing the rest of us how it's done if they're so smart about it ... but they wouldn't take that risk.

[trev123]

https://time.com/5808348/india-coronavirus-lockdown/

[buzz456]

https://time.com/5808348/india-coronavirus-lockdown/

So you are supposed to stay in your house and starve or did I miss something in this article?

[trev123]

I don't know I never read it. In NZ our lockdown starts tonight but we can still go to the supermarket to get food, chemists, doctors essential places like petrol stations. I won't bore you with the rest so I would suppose India would have similar conditions.