Steam Locomotives....they live, they breathe...they listen!

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Unread postby slick204 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:10 pm

More pictures of 9 and 12 on the Midwest Central website:

http://www.mcrr.org/PAGES/engines.html

Looks like I need to "Drive South"!
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Unread postby BNSFdude » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:17 pm

Howdy neighboring state member! ^
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Re: Steam Locomotives....they live, they breathe...they listen!

Unread postby bpetit » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:33 pm

Does an Oil fired have any disadvantages over coal?
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Unread postby FourEightFour » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:39 pm

bpetit wrote:Does an Oil fired have any disadvantages over coal?



Price of fuel comes to mind.

2.50 on average right now for a gallon versus 60 bucks a ton of the proper size coal.

Recycled Oil used to be dirt cheap, .25 a gal., but now it is expensive because it is used in plastic production and pumped into the ground during fracking.
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Unread postby bpetit » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:45 pm

Does it produce more or less the same Drawbar HorsePower as coal?
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Unread postby slick204 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:33 pm

BNSFdude wrote:Howdy neighboring state member! ^

Right back at ya! !!howdy!!
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Unread postby GLRX12 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:01 pm

bpetit wrote:Does it produce more or less the same Drawbar HorsePower as coal?


That's not at all related to type of fuel, that has everything to do with the power of the locomotive, steam pressure, cylinder size, driver size, and so on. Fuel plays no part in those calculations.

The biggest difference between Liquid fuel (oil) and solid (coal and wood) is planning. With oil, your planning lead time is maybe a minute. When you add more oil with the valve it takes under a minute for you to notice a difference in pressure. With Coal, its closer to 15 minutes, and wood, your planning 30 minutes before you need steam.

As a result, Coal and Wood are far more of an art form then oil is, oil is far easier to teach, and far easier to learn. If you can't figure out oil, you have a bigger problem.

I've fired both coal and oil. My first trip with oil was on the Loop, and I did just fine. My first trip with coal was with 346 at the Colorado railroad Museum (not as demanding as the Loop by any stretch) and I did terrible, although my second trip I got into a bit more of a groove, but I still had a messy firebox at the end. A huge pile in the back, and a huge pile about 2/3 of the way down the firebox. Nothing up front, and pretty much perfect between the backhead and the pile beyond the middle.
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