Powder River Basin

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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby chrisreb » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:24 am

Oh my.....
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:59 pm

gtrtroger wrote:Massive.... 3 state coverage....


I'm currently in the state of frustration - once again caused by track.

chrisreb wrote:Oh my.....


I've used quite a few not-family friendly expressions the past 2 days.

Okay, so I make it to Crawford Hill and expect to have the double horseshoe completed in short order - silly me.

First off, none of the track types have a small enough radius for me to follow the curves. I turn easements off and just lay track freehand around the tightest part of the curve and see that the radius is 195. My idea is now to edit the trackrule and make the radius 190 for freight. I do that and can't see much of any difference from the initial value of 341 and the new value of 190, it's still way off from the prototype. Next up is to reedit the trackrule and change the yard value from 242 to 190. This seems to actually work as I can now follow the curves with easements back on, so I place both curves down with the 3 changes in gradient that I want throughout the curve. Everything looks great, so now I just need to select 200 to 300 meters of track centered on each grade change and use the smooth tool... and crash to desktop with an access violation as soon as I hit smooth. Repeat for each grade change, selecting both tracks or selecting one track - access violation. I fly over to Crawford, a couple of dozen tiles away, and put down track with a grade change and the smooth tool works just fine. Now I'm thinking that I may have 2 corrupted tiles where the horseshoe curves are so I delete those two tiles from the network folder and start over.

Same problem. Now I'm going to change the grade as I lay the track in .1 increments that are 25 meters long instead of using the smooth tool. That's done, so I go to superelevate the first curve and bam, access violation. I must have restarted the game at least 25 times due to the crashes along with a cold boot of the computer twice. I checked all the usual suspects along the way and nothing was amiss.

Long story short, I relaid the curves freehand with easements turned off (speed limit is 20 on the curves in any case) and did the .1 increment thing on each grade change. After 8 hours over 2 days the result is below. If I add the one pair of signals on the curve and I get an access violation I just may do something unspeakable to my computer, so I am going to calm down and leave that for another day.


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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby chrisreb » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:01 am

Yeah take a short break - you dont do this for a living so come back to it fresher. Thanks for keeping going tho'
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Quick update on the double horseshoe curve fiasco.

The easement tool bug struck and I did not catch it. 2 miles before I got to the curves the outside track had broken and I only just noticed this afternoon as I was driving a test train up the hill and I saw the end of track in the HUD. I deleted the curve and all of the track back to the break and the curve just before the break. After several attempts I got a clean exit from the curve and made my way up to the horseshoe curves. Editing the trackrule again to put in a value of 190 for minimum radius I was pleased to discover that I was able to lay easements with exactly the radius I needed.

Apparently broken track caused by the easement tool bug can cause some strange things to happen further down the line if it goes unnoticed and uncorrected.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby krellnut » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:02 pm

Hey Tim,
Even though I'm trying to finish Laurel on the MRL, I will lay this track for you, if you want.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:04 am

krellnut wrote:Hey Tim,
Even though I'm trying to finish Laurel on the MRL, I will lay this track for you, if you want.


Morning Walter,

A very generous offer indeed, thank you! I would not want to distract you from the MRL since I am eagerly awaiting whatever/whenever you guys decide to release. The problem (aside from the easement tool bug) was of my own making by not catching the broken track several curves before the double horseshoe. I ripped up and relaid the last 3 miles of track and it all appears to be good. Easements and superelevation worked as they should and I'm now just about to Belmont, NE and starting the downgrade towards Alliance.

Two, three days of frustration doesn't bother me all that much as long as I eventually discover where I went wrong. If I were to be stymied for as long as a week in one spot with no solution forthcoming then I would love to have you take a look, sometimes a fresh set of eyes on the problem is needed. If you don't mind I'll keep your offer in reserve for when the sim makes me cry uncle.

Since the last release on June 30th I've put another 57 miles on the Butte Subdivision (a really fast pace for me) and I'm just about ready to finish off the Orin at Shawnee Junction.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby buzz456 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:12 pm

Just a FYI Walter is a track laying maniac and very very good.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:30 pm

buzz456 wrote:Just a FYI Walter is a track laying maniac and very very good.


That was my sense ever since he made one comment in passing just before I started the PRB and my track laying improved 100% because of it. I sometimes wonder how large a bag of tricks he has up his sleeves, not that it would even fit in his sleeves!
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:56 pm

Crawford Hill - Double Horseshoe Curve

Scenery broad strokes are in, detail work to follow.

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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby UPSD70ACe » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:03 pm

Wow looking forward to the full release when its done cool job bud.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby bswitzrw » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:07 pm

Beautiful work! !*salute*!
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby gtrtroger » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:07 pm

Wonderful scenery as always..... waiting to drive...
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:05 pm

gtrtroger wrote:Wonderful scenery as always..... waiting to drive...


bswitzrw wrote:Beautiful work! !*salute*!


UPSD70ACe wrote:Wow looking forward to the full release when its done cool job bud.


Thank you all!

A video to wet your appetite for the next release - Don't know when that might be quite yet though.

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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby BNSFdude » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:03 pm

God I love this route.
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Re: Powder River Basin

Unread postby Tomcat » Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:57 pm

BNSFdude wrote:God I love this route.


Thank you Anthony! If you love it half as much as I love the collaboration between Searchlight Simulations and Jointed Rails on the SD40-2 then I guess I'm doing okay on the route. I am highly anticipating the AC4400 and it will probably become my default power as I continue to work on the PRB.
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