New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:23 pm

NS - Nah, not bumpy like Adriana. I see the track unevenness from the Route 208 over pass North from 90 - 120. Before that is normal so as to not disturb the super-el. And thanks for noticing that - its those little touches that you notice that I enjoy so much. That shot you took at Henry Henning Drive - you found a spot I really put some time in to capture. You know I try really hard to convince you that you are in a real place. Keep cruising around - there is so much to see.

Crestwood ! I hope I pulled that off ... that grade to the siding was a bear to figure out!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby NStrains » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:29 pm

Crestwood was nicely done! The fill hoses were perfectly and evenly placed so as to not have to uncouple any cars like is standard at Carlisle. Also, while not as tricky as Carlisle, the grade at Crestwood is still tricky if you arent paying attention! Great job!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:27 am

The future of train simulator ....
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Staples Distribution, Montgomery, NY
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Its new assets, but not the way you think....
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6 Bay Doors
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The future is M O D U L A R assets!
Think of roofs, doors, walls, fames, pillars. vestibules, cornice, porches that you can stick on to an existing building, or a simple block of brick, or wood siding. You would then have the flexibility to get very close to the real-life structures

Look at this guy right here...
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The Mark I Rolling Bay Door
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Since its a separate part. I can change its dimension, raise it, lower it and best of all place it where I need it. For Staples Distribution there are 6 Bay Doors, that will line up perfectly with 6 - 50foot Box Cars. Even the sill lines up to the floor of the car. And, cuz I'm nutz, just look at this insanely tight clearance!

Immersion baby! On the Bergen, you cant just sling some cars in a siding and call it done ... you gotta line those doors up fella!

Its been driving me crazy for years, having to flip the back of the "small warehouse" to the track, when I already have a building there, because I need bay doors! Problem - solved!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby jamesphh » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:44 am

Actually, tight clearances are not needed. We used heavy steel ' bridge plates' to span from the dock to the rail car. Plates were heavy enough to support a tow motor and up to 4000 lb pallets. These plates were about 4 feet long. This does look impressive though.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:10 pm

James, Ha, you got me ! I was going to note that the 3 inch clearance is NOT an industry standard. *!greengrin!* The amount of measuring and care it takes to get 300 foot of building parallel to the track, so that the clearance and the projection on all 6 doors are the same, I decided to show off!

Lets go to this mornings picture. Russin Lumber, Montgomery, NY.
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This was a route test from Campbell Hall to the end of the Maybrook Secondary. I check for FPS, irregular track, floating scenery and overall how the work is shaping up. This was my 3rd trip. It takes a about 10-12 minutes to get out of the yard from the QD start point and another 10 minutes to got to Maybrook and another 5 to get to the industrial siding. I dropped a 50 footer off at Berger&Co. and then backed up another half mile to get to Russin Lumber.

I so enjoy the rise and fall of the land around the track, the subtle up and down of the grades ... the natural unevenness of the topography. I hope you guys get that same affect, when you drive.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:06 pm

Content, its what we do. (when were not building)
I know its hard to get a running conversation going on a discussion thread. There is SO much I want to talk about: the route, the history and the techniques. Today, I want to employ Mr. Strawman and have some fun ... talking about the route. So here goes...

You know, some people say: "Minerman, how the heck do you know what company is in a siding from 30 - 40 years ago? Are you making this all up?" To those that ask I say - Heck NO! Did you know, that from using Google Street View, I get down and dirty in TAXATION MAPS and old Phonebooks? I have spoken to Olden People to get the inside dope on what is where, or rather what WAS there. But when all else fails, we skip route building and do our research baby! So we got this Maybrook Secondary thing going on... My opus. We pulled out all the stops and we find new stops to pull when we can.
So maybe you buzzed around on the unfished part of the secondary and noted the business names... how do you know? You ask.
Behold this scan of the glorious Conrail ZTS map of 1983.
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You can see the names - that's on a previous page. But take my word for it. I know what is where! I found this pdf online like 3 years ago and I put it to good use.

Back to Mr. Strawman. Some other people say "Minerman - these weird grades - you are making this stuff up!" Nothing could be further from the truth. We use ALL means to get as close as possible to the rise and fall of the track for your train driving pleasure. If that means, looking at topo maps, comparing that to elevations we get from google earth, comparing THAT do what we see on grade crossings at google street view - we do it. Is that exact? Well you got me - sometimes its off. And when its off we spend 8 months rebuilding track from Suffern to Highland Mills to get it right! Sometimes we get lucky and discover this thing called a "Track Map"! THEN, we compare all the above to the track map and adjust accordingly.

Back to talking about Maybrook. So, your wondering, wow he finally put mile posts on the route - how cool is that? You think I put those on there to look pretty? HECK NO, I put them on there so I could relate the mileposts to this track map below - So I could replicate the grades!
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How about that?

So, In conclusion, this is a simulator, it is NOT exact. We try to be prototypical, not to be accurate, but to increase the BELIEVABILITY of what you experience on the Bergen. And this is what we do to make that happen. And THAT is VERY fun to do!
Enjoy and think about this stuff the next time your running around on the route.

Thank you for your kind attention.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:52 pm

Thursday Route Update Post:
I should be building as I am a bit behind at the moment, but I like having a routine.
We will be having an update, just not tomorrow morning. It is looking like late Friday night or Saturday. I say this, because I know that the entirety of the Maybrook Secondary will not be finished. What will be done is all the close up detail scenery. Some of the distant terrain paint, road work and some housing needs to go in before I call this branch done. Response to the work so far, while limited, has been strong! (by the way, where is everyone on the WIP thread these days - its too quiet) One of our loyal RWA dudes also posts on Steam. He was switching em out at Maybrook, so I asked him if he thought the branch was worthy for scenarios (I'm insecure!) His response, is da bomb.

cheepskate24 [author] Feb 12 @ 6:27pm

You bet your @$$ it’s worthy :)!!!
Slow speeds, single track, local switching, excellent scenery... I love it all :steamhappy:


Makes me want to build another branch line just for him... but Wait... Why I AM building another branch! We still have to go to Walden and Montgomery for the next 4 consignees! I am really hoping hoping hoping that this risky move on my part pays off with the branchline contingent. Which reminds me... this branch is running long because of the detail work that is going in. This is 10-20mph territory and you cant help but look out the window. And I have detailed up all the consignees to make it worth your while to drive 20 minutes through the woods to get to some little town to drop your load.

I think some people are waiting for the whole thing to be done before they head out and post more glorious and motivational screenshots of the route!
Which I look forward to... (hint, hint). I will accept Jameson's in lieu of screenshots, actually ... one screen shot and the Jameson's and you will be to the good with me.

So folks, don't just take it from me that its worth the trip to Maybrook. Its worthy. You bet your @$$ it’s worthy! *!greengrin!*
Carry on!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:58 am

This is what I am talking about...
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby CArailroader » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:12 am

There is a soon to be released 0-6-0 that I think would look perfect switching cars up and down that branch.... You know like when historical groups use steam on revenue freight!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:51 am

CArailroader wrote:There is a soon to be released 0-6-0 that I think would look perfect switching cars up and down that branch.... You know like when historical groups use steam on revenue freight!

That would work very well on the branch. There a Wye at Campbell Hall to turn the locomotive too.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby minerman146 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:21 am

*ROUTE UPDATED*
The bulk of it is in - I couldn't wait any longer. Enjoy.

Route Update Number 195

New York Division-Bergen Line 9.9.2.6:Maybrook Secondary
Additions: Extend scenery from Interstate 84 on the "Maybrook Secondary" to the industrial siding along Braken Road in Montgomery, New York. Lush, vivid foliage and superb industrial detail you have come to know and love. The Secondary checks in at 7 linear miles, 2 passing sidings, and 8 customers on 7 sidings.

Consignees: Completed: Halleck Lumber, Eastern Alloys, Crestwood Midstream (2Tracks); Recycle recovery - Berger & Co (Shared Siding,) Suffern Beer, Russin Lumber and Staples Distribution (2 Tracks)

Use the Campbell Hall - Maybrook QD: All fright needed for delivery has been placed in the yard. The QD is a puzzle with a start and a finish.

Fixes: Track Break on the Industrial Spur at Burger&Co.

Old file size: 145.670 MB
New file size: 146.243 MB

*Note: work started on the Maybrook Secondary on Nov 25th 2017. 13 Weeks. Pace is 0.54 miles per week. Total Hours 209. Building Hours Per Mile 29.85. Build Hours per week 16.07. (This is why I log my time)
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby NStrains » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:31 am

minerman146 wrote:This is what I am talking about...
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!*drool*! **!!bow!!** !*cheers*!
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby krellnut » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:51 pm

I've looked in Workshop for this, but cannot find. Please advise me how I may pick this up. Thanks so much for your continued efforts.
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby cheepskate24 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:42 pm

krellnut wrote:I've looked in Workshop for this, but cannot find. Please advise me how I may pick this up. Thanks so much for your continued efforts.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =265923409
Enjoy :)
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Re: New York Division-Bergen Line - Part Deux!

Unread postby cheepskate24 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:48 pm

Lil bit o' fun on the Maybrook Secondary *!greengrin!*
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